New England to Freeze in the Dark This Winter

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  1. Pycckia

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    As I wrote in another thread earlier today, China is cutting off sales of LNG to Europe and will use it for their own needs. The NE is screwed and they now have to compete with Europe for crumbs.

    When people start complaining, freezing and dying, guess what the democrat leadership of NY will do: Blame it on republicans and global warming.

    They're going to say the people never should have listened to conservatives and should have bought solar panels during the summer.

    The oddity is the lack of the very thing they banned because it causes global warming is what will freeze them to death. You couldn't sell this as a movie because it's too unbelievable.
     
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    And Belgium is halting fracking because of concern about seismic tremors.
     
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    They're worried over nothing.

    In the area you have selected (Belgium) earthquake hazard is classified as medium according to the information that is currently available. This means that there is a 10% chance of potentially-damaging earthquake shaking in your project area in the next 50 years. Based on this information, the impact of earthquake should be considered in all phases of the project, in particular during design and construction. Project planning decisions, project design, and construction methods should take into account the level of earthquake hazard. Further detailed information should be obtained to adequately account for the level of hazard.

    https://thinkhazard.org/en/report/27-belgium/EQ
     
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    Time to start thinking about ground-source heat pumps. Think about how resilient the US could become if every household was energy independent. No foreign threats of cutting off energy supplies or raising prices. No ability of a foreign power to militarily eliminate the energy grid.

    This could be a start. Of course, I realize that it won't be. People think too much of the short term. And spending $30,000 for a ground source heat pump is as much fun as spending $3000 for a root canal.
     
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    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/correction-germany-nuclear-shutdown-story-82051054
    Germany shuts down half of its 6 remaining nuclear plants

    https://nltimes.nl/2022/09/26/groningen-gas-field-extraction-reduced-third-october
    Groningen gas field extraction to be reduced by more than a third from October

    Granted they reduced the extraction due to frequent earthquakes but it's time to science that **** out. Or relocate the residence that could be effected.

    https://www.france24.com/en/france/...nuclear-reactors-by-winter-amid-energy-crunch

    France to restart all nuclear reactors by winter amid energy crunch
    Should have never shut them down to begin with ffs.

    If someone could convince Canada and the United States to bump up production to the point that they can dump some on the open market, effecting the market...Europe's energy crisis would be meh.


     
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    In 2022 only three nuclear plants are left in Germany and they were supposed to be shut down at the end of this year. The plans have changed and they will be used at least until April 2023 and I expect a longer usage.


    Relocate to Russia? The Netherlands don't have space to relocate a few hundred thousand people.


    Half of the French nuclear power plants were shutdown because of bad planned maintenance and a shortage of cooling water. In the first half of the year 2022 Germany exported a record number of energy to France.
     
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    and how does one power those heat pumps? Also, feel free to provide that counsel to the folks who last month alone got a 3% salary cut due to inflation. Feel free to explain to the over 60% living paycheck to paycheck that they simply need to drop $30 Large on a heat pump. As once was said

    "Let Them Eat Cake"

    Do you ever stop and reflect on how Democrat talking points actually sound? It's very elitist.

    Do you understand that some Democrat voters are the ones living paycheck to paycheck and this full Democrat control economy has hurt them too
     
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    You power it with solar on your roof.

    Plus, many of the people who constantly whine about inflation have no problems ponying up +$60,000 for the new pickup truck or SUV. Imagine, they could get a ground source heat pump, AND a smaller, but more efficient and practical vehicle both at the same time. Also imagine what they could do to the economy by spending the energy savings back into it, instead of giving them to the power and gas companies every single month. They might even be able to have some savings....

    But, I realize the new Denali SUV with the sun roof and heated and cooled leather seats is much more fun than that -- and it is a status symbol. With a ground source heat pump, the only status you get is being labeled as a stupid environmentalist. A lot of Americans have their priorities seriously f'd up.
     
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    well, doesn't that work well when it's overcast most of the time during the cold months. That's a reason I left the northeast. it gets depressing.

    Again, an elitist answer that doesn't help those who are suffering. Why not just tell them to live in a smaller home? Or tell them to stop buying brand name potato chips and toilet paper? Feel free to tell them how to live.............go ahead

    You really don't get it do you?
     
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    To my understanding, France shut down their reactors because of maintenance, corrosion and the majority were built in the 70s/80s and need long over due upgrades and maintenance. The idiocy was in doing HALF at once. When this should have been staggered.
     
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    Glorious idea... however 98% of the nation is not setup to be energy independent in a single year and probably not even reasonable in the next 10 years. Forcing pain on people to get them to comply is... well... very authoritarian.
     
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    Ground source heat pumps require pipe in the ground. Unless you own something big enough to drill or lay lots of pipe in the ground it won’t work. But regular heat pumps can work up to -20 these days. So there is that. The problem there is the increase in electricity that our system is set up to handle and could cause electrical problems.


    A typical system will require 300 feet of trenches for every two tons of heating load. That’s huge. The Trenches also have to be 6 feet deep and 2 feet wide if you go with the cheaper method of horizontal rather than vertical pipe. Many people don’t have the means for this. But it is a cool system. It even reduces your cooling costs in the summer and even helps heat your water tank. I used to want this system but it’s way expensive too.
     
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    Don't you mean......very Democrat
     
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    just run the heat pumps with your electric vehicle. There, problem solved :roflol:
     
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    12 had a planned maintenance, 18 were shut down because of corrosion and 5 had cooling water issues. German renewable energy saved France.

    My family owns a house in southern France and I'm always surprised that the neighbours don't use solar energy. Even in Germany with far less hours of sunshine you can be energy independent from April to October. My brothers solar energy installation (Munich) has been profitable after 6 years with a 15 years guarantee for the storage and the solar panels.
     
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    Not everyone has the ability for that kind of install upfront. What are you under the assumption just anyone can buy an electric car or install solar panels?

    We bought an EV but even with a good trade in it was 20k upfront on the difference and ya...after about 4 years of driving it, it will make that money back but not everyone has that ability or flexiability.

    Progressives are so unrealistic with the stupid global warming ****.
     
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    Not an option for apartment dwellers
     
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    Well, maybe with a hybrid.

    Swiss look to ban use of electric cars over the winter to save energy

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    Taking the Authoritarian Approach:

    'The European Union jumped on the electric vehicle craze well ahead of other parts of the world, particularly after the Paris climate accord. But in typical socialist fashion, they weren’t content with simply encouraging people to switch to EVs. Many European countries almost immediately started making plans to ban gas-powered cars and trucks and make EVs mandatory. Lots of Europeans wanted to get out ahead of the curve and began snapping the newer models up. Now, in a rather embarrassing reversal, Switzerland is considering legislation that would ban people from driving electric vehicles except in urgent conditions over the winter because there simply might not be enough juice on the grid to recharge them. (From Der Spiegel. Original is in German but Google Translate can convert it for you.)'

    Ooof!

    They sound as dumb as CA which warned residents not to use or charge EV's as the grid staggered.

    'June of this year, the EU proposed a ban on new gas-powered cars by 2035.'

    The same kind of dumb authoritarians are in the US and NE. They want you walking, cold and shivering, and eating bugs. Don't turn your freedom and liberty over to these fools.
     
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    A lot of people MUST Feel the Same Way...
    Look at how all of the Dems Got Landslided Last Month in the Red Tsunami...
    Oh...Wait...
     
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    Dems lost the popular vote by over 3,000,000 and lost 8 seats, but, it could have been worse. I'm more interested in adequate energy for all, rising wages and stable prices than political activism, I'll leave that to you.

    Biden's Yellen Blames US for Record-High Inflation

    Inflation is caused by an inadequate supply of goods and services.

    'Biden administration dismissed inflation as 'small risk' last year'

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    The serfs want too much she rich-person-splains.

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    We want to buy things, that we really don't need, you see. So they will make them so expensive that we can't afford them, 'solving' the problem of us wanting things we 'do not really need.'

    We had too much money while Trump was president, and they are 'fixing' that.

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    Biden fixing that 'too much money' problem.

    By her lights it's only us have 'too much money' that is inflationary, Biden and the Dems multi trillion-dollar spending bills went unremarked on. It's only OUR spending that's a problem, not theirs.

    And of course New England's crisis is simply New Englanders wanting "too much heat" and refusing to be satisfied with shivering in their own homes.
     
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    The left supports authoritarianism. They teach school children to be racist and fight against free speech. This is normal for them.
     
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    Parts of New England are used to it actually since ice storms can knock out the local grids for weeks.
     

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