New York Attorney General takes initial step to prepare to seize Trump assets

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  1. AFM

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    This is about a loan that was made and paid back on time with interest. There are no victims. There was no fraud.
     
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    It is about HOW that loan was gotten in the first place. Fraudulent data was used to secure it. He has a history of this kind of conduct. If that tis fine with you............ so be it. It seems that anything that Trump does or says is fine with his supporters. Maybe they should not beleive him soreadily or take him at face value .........as he really is a pathological liar. (to a malignant degree)
     
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    DB loan officers who are very sophisticated financial lenders reviewed the property valuations and made adjustments as the financial disclaimers with the loan application suggested. DB reviewed the valuations, set the interest rate, granted the loan which was paid back on time with interests. As fiduciaries they are required to do so. They make money by granting loans based on their analysis and not on the valuations submitted. There were no vicitims. There was no fraud.
     
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    It is victimless but it is not fraud because it is victimless. People lose money on investments. It is the nature of the beast.
     
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    It has nothing to do with Trump who I don't support. It has everything to do with political prosecution. I can't believe some want government that engages in it. It is corruption in its most dangerous form. If the courts allow it to continue we are doomed. Seriously.
     
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    I reject the notion that there should be a result. We can't tolerate a justice system that uses its powers for political purposes. PERIOD. I will accept no result regardless of what it is. I reject political prosecutions. PERIOD.

    I am not a "T" supporter, by the way. I am a supporter of a fair justice system.
     
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    You guys keep saying that, but try reading the ****ing statute. It doesn’t refer to victims.

    What Trump did is a clear violation of the law as written.
     
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    But Trump has five letters in his last name. So there was fraud.
     
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    That you support political prosecution makes you dangerous in my view. Sorry. Fraud that is prosecuted always has a victim. The justice system doesn't prosecute victimless fraud except when there is a political benefit. Spare me the drivel.
     
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    I oppose political persecution.
    I support holding people accountable for their actions.

    Now please, read the ****ing statute under which this case was brought. Show me where NY Executive Law 63(12) refers to victims.

    I know you won’t. Because you can’t. It isn’t there. You are introducing a concept that simply doesn’t exist in the law.
     
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    No need to repeat myself.
     
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    This is clearly an unethical political prosecution. The Bible sets out two prohibitions for judges. One of these is "do not recognize faces" which means that prosecution and judgment should never be done based on who the defendant is. This statute has never been used in this manner before. Letitia James ran and was elected on the promise to "Get Trump". And she scoured the law books and came up with a perverse interpretation of the NY Executive Law 63(12). The justice system in NY has taken the blindfold off and conspired to "Get Trump" following the lead of Lavrenty Beria.


    Dershowitz, Alan. War on Woke: Why the New McCarthyism Is More Dangerous Than the Old (pp. 38-40). Hot Books. Kindle Edition.
     
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    It is not a political prosecution. But keep holding onto that fantasy if it makes you feel better. Hold on tight and snuggle up warmly in that safe space.
     
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    No need for you to read the statute either, obviously.
     
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    A fair system cannot exist when it is ok to lie on financial disclosures for personal gain — but whatever you need to tell yourself.
     
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    It absolutely is a political prosecution. That is completely obvious as are/were the the other 3 prosecutions. At least have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
     
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    There was no lying, there was no damage, there was no fraud. What there is is a unethical politically motivated prosecution and judgment.
     
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    A fair judicial system only prosecutes people for fraud when there is fraud, a victim and a loss except, of course, when there is a political benefit to the prosecutor.
     
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    His reference to the bible......says all you need to know ;-)
     
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    They seem to go by : If T does it, it is just fine...........;-) The MAGA GANG has different rules for him , while others would be held to account.
     
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    You oppose religious beliefs? While I don't share them, I support them. They are good for a peaceful society.
     
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    You keep making that distinction without merit, BOTH are real property and subject to surveys' and assessments. You don't understand how those work and who is responsible for whose they will use. And that why a political hack AG can fool some of the people all of the time.
     
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    Ok — all we can agree to do here is wait for the appeals process. I will agree with whatever they decide, you will only agree with the result if you like it.
     
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    Another failed attempt. Lol.
     
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    my god man......

    In a COMMERCIAL building, things like occupancy rates, marketing budgets, tenancy history, infrastructure, and MANY other things are examined for valuation, INCLUDING the Business entity that operated the building. The ENTIRE case here is that Trump valued it as a business at a very high number, but as a taxable entity a very low number. You act like they valuate commercial property like they do residential and assign them all based on a platt map.

    And the main thing you are missing here is that the bank uses Trumps numbers, because if they didn't it wouldnt be cost effective and would drive up the costs for the loan. Trump, just like you do when you get a mortgage, signed a paper that says what he submitted was real and true. Banks make you sign that paper for a reason !!!! YES, they do some due diligence. but the lions share of what they use comes from the borrower. The last time you got a mortgage, you had to take in your W2, your taxes from the last 2-3 years, and many other documents right ? Did the banks call your employer, or the IRS to verify ?

    From what he was charged with in this case, the prosecutor must have gone thru the documents and showed where the Trump Org lied on the applications, or in their documentation. Hence the charges, and the fine.....

    But dont worry, he just rubed the rubes again and got them to buy Truth Social stock which he will steal just like he did from Trump Casinos.....Truth social has literally zero assets. This wont end well for anyone but DJT.
     
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