Nicaragua sadness

What are you talking "Bernie's buddies" ? Like you have a clue about Latin America.

 

If you have nothing intelligent to say .. then perhaps better not to speak ?

 

What's truly hypocritical are the leftists who protested against the Contras, those fighting the Communists, while supporting terrorist dictators like Ortega. The leftists will always give their support to any third world dictator who calls they call himself a 'socialist'. whether it's Castro, Chavez, or any other low lifedespot, while trampling on those who fight and die for their people's freedom. It's as easy as that and they know it.

I've spent quite a bit of time in Nicaragua, have friends there and employees from there also. You know nothing of these fine people, the country, or the problems they've faced. Reagan did the right thing as far as the Nicaraguan people were concerned but the leftists just gotta be leftists. Find the Black Book of Communism, if it's available in your part of the world, and read the chapter on Nicaragua. Perhaps you might then have a clue.

 

His shift to the right??? He's a communist dictator and always has been a communist. Are communists now 'right wing'?

 

In fact it does matter, as any American can tell you.

That would be Ronald Reagan, one of a handful of people who contributed to the fall of communism, playing a leading role. Only the most backward of Europeans would call him a liar. In fact the Communists controlled much of Europe, even in the West, and many still feel nostalgia for those good old days.

 

Is it your understanding that Democrats didn't look sympathetically to Communism and its leaders while Ronald Reagan was President? We had one poster claim that Ortega is ''right wing' and a German concerning himself about arms to Iran while thousands of Nicaraguans died. Are you part of that school?

 

Where's the problem? John Brennan could also be added to that list.

 

1) Nicaragua was not "communism" .. this was a preposterously nonsensical label which tried to demonize a popular (albeit leftist movement) so the powers at be could engage in nation building.

2) The elections in Nicaragua (as opposed to El Salvador and Guatemala) were both fair and free.... had major over oversight.

3) what does thousands of Nicaraguan's dying have to do with anything ? there was a civil war... do you claim to know which side was "good" and which was "evil" ? If you can't do this .. then shut it.

4) Do you know what was going on in El Salvador and Guatemala at the time ? - and how this related to Nicaragua.

 

The problem is that you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Yeah, right. Leftists always claim after each humanitarian disaster that it wasn't 'real' communism, it wasn't what they had in mind as the perfect ideal socialism for other people.

Until they elected a known communist who promised them all 'free stuff', just as socialist leaders everywhere do. Do you sincerely believe that Socialist supporters in the US are any brighter than the people in Nicaragua who also want free stuff? They're both equally ignorant.

Of course I know which side was good and which side was bad, and so should you. The Contras were good and the Communists were bad, just as in the cases in East Germany, Cuba, and everywhere throughout the world. Do you really believe that North Korea is equal to South Korea?

In fact I drove through Guatemala during their civil war and saw a lot of it. You have no idea what was and is going on there so don't even try to pretend.

 

The standard leftist riposte.

 

My cousin was surfing in El Salvador during the civil war but .. this proves nothing and nor does you driving through Guatemala.

Your claim that the Contra's were "good" and Communists were "bad" is big time fallacy - backed up zero.

Naked claims are not worth anything .. and repetition of claim coupled with demonization of the messenger is worth even less.

 

Just because you have no ability to back up your claim - is no reason to engage in ad hom fallacy and insults.

 

Or our CIA getting financing money for its covert activities by trafficking coke into america, again. Also helps to keep our DEA well funded and gives job security for the DEA boys.

 

Suggest you read The Black Book oof Communism and the Nicaraguan chapter. You may recognize that communism was a murderous disaster wherever it was introduced, and Nicaragua was no exception. Of course you're free to prove me wrong with your list of positive exceptions..

 

Yes, the Americans trying to keep communism out of Nicaragua were the bad guys. That's always been the case with anyone fighting communism.

I have to admit that, despite all the evidence of what communism has done, their propaganda was first class. Much superior than American propaganda, which only promoted the idea that the facts should speak for themselves. Unfortunately facts are anathema to leftists.

 

I don't think they were the bad guys, do you? I think the way they financed some of that is what is bad. It is illegal after all, and yet did anyone go to prison? They never do, do they? I guess the CIA not only operates above our constitution but are also not subject to the rule of law. I find that to be more than just bad. I find it destructive of a constitutional republic.

 

The US government didn't learn a thing from Vietnam. Reagan continued to fight the communista boogie men in Central America. We should stay the hell out of Central America.

 

There are many examples - Romania being one of them and former Yugoslavia. Regardless .. I suggest you read "Manufacturing Consent" "Political economy of the Mass media" if you want to learn about "murderous disaster" and figure out how you have been manipulated by the media.

In El Salvador and Guatemala we were supporting death squad dictators - training their troops in terror tactics at the "School of the America's.

I grabbed the first link I could find but, all of this came out during the Truth and Reconciliation - which I have read and you have obviously not.

And yes - you can point to acts of violence on the other side as well but, "The complaints attributed almost 85 percent of the violence to State agents, private paramilitary groups, and the death squads"

These were no ordinary acts of violence either.

https://pcolman.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/reconciliation-in-el-salvador/

Picking out one example from either side and claiming "Good vs Evil" on that basis is an exercise in mindless stupidity. Then following up with some label (running around crying "communism communism") as if this backs up a claim only exacerbates the mindlessness.

 

That was in response to "The problem is that you have no idea what you are talking about". Did you not post that?

The reason leftists pose such a threat to free people is that they are not very bright, don't know it, and are willing to riot, or even murder, for whatever cause into which they've been indoctrinated. And washing their little brains has never been much of a challenge.

 

The Communists were not 'boogie men' to use your tired cliche. They murdered over 100 million people around the world and destroyed the lives of many millions more.

You may want to 'stay the hell out of Central America' but Central America isn't staying out of the US.

 

Just to make sure I'm getting this correctly. Are you making the claim that Communism was good for Romania?

 

So you ignore the vast majority of my post and deflect by cherry picking one sentence and attributing a nonsense claim to me - one I did not make and one that has no relation to your claim that all communist systems were some horrible nightmare in some thinly veiled attempt to deflect away from responding to your completely false claim that the side fighting against the leftists in central america were necessarily bad relative to the death squad dictators who you characterize as "Good"

Now rather than put words in your mouth - you in fact did claim that this side .. the side that was doing this (and responsible for an estimated 85% of the evil deeds) .. was Good.

Do you still maintain this claim ?

 

In Vietnam they were just boogie men. Shall we send over 500,000 US soldiers to Central America and start another war we can't win? That strategy will only force more refugees to flee north.

 

You seem to be very much ignoring the big picture regarding American (US) propaganda. It is far more elaborate and nuanced than you seem to think.