'No differences' between children of same-sex and opposite-sex parents

Do you have any documentation to support any of that blather about dildos and compulsory sex programs?

 

Yes, I call Shenanigans on the OP too, what Country has MANDATORY sex ed ? classes with Dildos and other sex toys in Middle School ??? Grade 7 ???

I think the OP continually refusing to say what Country he is from is disingenuous as well as many other incongruous incompatible statements, Verbal pattern Forensic analysis also Seems to indicate much contradictory data, although such methods are not inflammable, lol, joke, Infallible, there is more here, than meets the eye, the OP seems to like the word "Disingenuous" and uses it often enough, yet is less than honest about many things.

 

I must say, I'm quietly astonished that America has managed to stay isolated from this stuff. Either that, or some of you are deliberately avoiding learning about what's happening in Europe. Specifically, Germany. Though of course Germany is just the first to commit to the most extreme program (dildos etc). In Australia they have had a not very much better program in public high schools for a couple years.

Please keep in mind these programs are currently only in high schools (junior high specifically - ages 11 - 13), but there is work underway to get them into primary schools. Some of the academics behind them want to see them introduced in kinder. Modified versions, of course.

I recommend you educate yourselves on what's happening. Read all the course material (as I have, and as have many other concerned people), find out which countries are at the party, learn all you can about the academics developing these programs, what their history is, what their motivations are, what their CRIMINAL RECORDS are (one of the key original figures, a Canadian academic, was charged with paedophilia), what they believe (another Australian academic believes paedophilia should be legalised), etc etc. If you haven't done this work, you're not yet in a position to comment with any weight.

 

Still no source or documentation for any of this. We are supposed to believe it or do the research without actually knowing what we are looking for. Sound like a whole bunch of hogwash to me.

Educators do sometimes commit sexual abuse, and that has been a problem for a long time. It has nothing to do with the topic of same sex parenting or homosexuality in general.

 

I do not get all this Secret Squirrel hogwash, why can't he say what Country he is from ?
That is if he is not from some part of the U.S. because that is American English he is using, so he must have at least grown up in some major city, likely Boston, or Maryland.....

 

It's not secret, I said Germany, above. I use "American English" here because I'm talking to predominantly Americans. I've never set foot in your country.

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Look up anything with a name like "Safe Schools Program", and you'll start getting material. Another school based initiative is titled "Better Relationships". You can find everything I've discussed here, if you're interested.

 

Well, this is what I'm getting. Nothing here about playing with dildos or encouraging kids to "be gay" sounds like a bunch of hysterical propaganda to me:

http://www.doe.mass.edu/ssce/lgbtq/

http://www.betterrelationships.com/

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/default.htm

 

You're just scratching the surface. Keep reading. And it's not open encouragement, it's role playing.

 

Look, If you can't be bothered to provide actual examples and documentation of what you claim, I can't be bothered to chase after and look through a haystack for something that I don't believe is real.

 

I've read policy and course content piecemeal over the past year or so - extensively. I have not collected a dosier.

Unfortunately, your response to this issue is not surprising. I can only recommend that LG people consider carefully those who would presume to speak for them. There is now growing opposition to this school 'programming' from LG people ... who initially made the mistake of assuming that it was all in their best interests.

It's not about the LG issues, it's about the fact that it's being taught to CHILDREN. There are some medical professionals reluctantly admitting that they regard it as 'grooming', and overt sexualisation. I would be hesitant to go as far as calling it grooming (though given the credentials of the aforementioned Canadian academic founder of these programs .. the question must remain on the table if child safety is to be taken seriously), but it's most definitely sexualisation.

 

Strange hobby.



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So in other words, you do not have a shred of documentation to back up your absurd claim that children are being taught about and encouraged to have gay sex, and being exposed to age-inappropriate material on the subject. So noted. Very irresponsible .

You wrote in post 497:

Classic propaganda. A mix of pure bovine excrement with small elements of truth to give it an air of legitimacy like with references to "normalizing homosexuality" which is nothing more than an attempt to encourage acceptance and appreciation of diversity, but you make it into something dirty and nefarious. Little wonder you wont provide the source because to do so would expose your dishonesty.

 

hobby? that would imply that I enjoy it.

 

you repeatedly change my words from "role play being gay/transgendered" (which IS part of the course, whether you find it implausible or not) to 'encouraged to have gay sex'. is your intent to demonise in order to silence? because that would be in keeping with the fundamentalism exhibited by SJW ideologues. the irresponsibility is demonstrated by adults with a vested interest in these things .... you know, like parents .... who lazily assume it's all virtue. without ever reading any of the course material.

so you choose to believe it's all ticketty boo, without knowing a thing about it? do you imagine there can't possibly be anything wrong with introducing 11 year olds to the concept of strap-ons and gender fluidity?

do you say 'who cares if the majority of those 11 year olds might be variously horrified, confused, amused, shocked, embarrassed, sexualised prematurely, or any one of a myriad of possible outcomes, if it means the effeminate boy in year 10 doesn't have his feelings hurt quite so often'?

The material is out there. Look up "Safe Schools Coalition", look up the name Roz Ward. They're both good starting points. Work out from there and you'll find the German programs. I'm sorry in advance that you'll end up looking a duffer for doubting me. I'm sure you'll pretend you couldn't find any of it, though. Your position depends upon it.

 

Yup

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You do realize you stated points with no sense made right ?

"if it means the effeminate boy in year 10 doesn't have his feelings hurt quite so often ?"

What the hell does that mean ? since when was effeminate synonymous with Gay ?

Many boy are effeminate in both manner and appearance, and not necessarily Gay, and no one deserves to be judged by anyone or beaten, or have their feelings hurt by others insults, called Gay or other Anti Gay slurs as I was at age 10 !!!!

It is becoming clear how you really feel about Gay people, even though you live in Lesbian capital of the World to quote or paraphrase you.

And just for your edification, 10 year olds are not traumatized by talks of sex, non of us were at age 10, do you know why ? because those things are all we talked about !

When we were not busy exploring each others bodies, or getting naked in order to see our differences.

Another mares nest of reasoning Mon ami ! Mon Dieu !

 

More of the same paranoid, deranged propaganda. I'm not going to chase after you delusions but I did look up Roz Ward.

Her crime: The controversial Safe Schools program which is designed to teach children about sexual and gender diversity and stamp out homophobia. You're still batting zero.

 

This is a link to a thread that I started about 18 months ago before the Obergefell decision: http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-l...in-fight-same-sex-marriage-adoption-gays.html

You might want to review the OP . My prediction has materialized precisely because gay people make excellent parents and children benefit when the parents are allowed to marry and suffer from the effects of discrimination directed at the parents. It relates directly to the subject of this thread, unlike the equine excrement that you're posting.

 

Of course, the demonisation is imperative. Let's not worry about the kids, let's just demonise!

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I'm sitting here with my gay and lesbian friends laughing at this. You folk who've taken up the rainbow banner and run with it have no clue what the broader L&G community thinks of the lunatic fringe stuff, evidently. You don't speak for such gay people, and they don't want you to speak for them.

 

Please! Do not even try to talk to me about “worrying about the kids” !! My life has been devoted to the kids. I had a career in child welfare- investigation child abuse, working with foster, adoptive and birth parents to best meet the needs of the children. Some of those parents, and some of those children were LGBT. I am well versed in the educational system and the pitfalls of not getting it right. I wrote this awhile back and it continues to be relevant today.

 

Right! Sure you are sitting there with your imaginary gay friends. You cannot afford to talk about the lunatic fringe, bubba.

 

Most of what Crank posts is imaginary philosophical Political fluff designed to rankle people and annoy them.

A Not Gay person, Crank, is suddenly "The Gay spokesperson" for the Gay community, knowing full well the desires of all Gay people ??? Not bloody likely.....

 

He seems to have gone into hiding. Good riddance .

 

Yes indeed.... lol

They indeed do say, Good riddance to bad Rubbish....

Crank constantly presents as Gay accepting, yet consistently proves contrarywise.