Yes, I was recently caught up in the ridiculous medical condition endorsement on Qld. drivers licences. It is a perfect example of the ever increasing problem of people making regulations for things about which they know little or nothing, or worse, think they know something but don't.
My suggestion certainly isn't foolproof, but its a start. Schools can and do demand proof of vaccination. Ultimately I want to shift the burden of responsibility for any adverse outcome to the person making the decision about vaccination. Some people will lie & deceive, but most will decide it is all too hard & do the right thing.
That is what I see this as doing - there are a hell of a lot of young women out there who have kids and it is all too hard to hassle around about getting vaccinations. This is really a monetary incentive to ensure they will. If they are truly conscientious objectors and not just bone idle then they will get those jabs for the kids
Agree. The more people on board the better. We don't want the sort of outbreaks we have seen in the US.
Preaching to the converted. Seen too many Tetanus cases, whooping cough, Meningococcaemia, herpes zoster flare ups (got one going on now - shingles are a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) - born too early for the Varicella vaccine) to ever want to stop someone from fully vaccinating children
You people are talking a load rubbish. How is forcing herd mentality vaccinations onto people who are not vaccinated, endangering the lives of other people who are already vaccinated? Surely, going on your theory that pharmaceutical vaccinations work, then wouldn't the only person the Unvaccinated individual endanger medically, be themselves? By suggesting that everyone is to be vaccinated, you are actually admitting that vaccinations DON'T work. Therefore, if the vaccinations don't work like scientists and the manufactures claim they do, then why are you advocating their use? Is not the logical purpose of a vaccination to stop someone for contracting a disease that someone else has?
You both claim that science is the core beacon upon which your belief is built within medicine, and everything else must be judged. But you both fail to admit or acknowledge that medical science is constantly changing its methods, philosophies and prior beliefs to suit every new discovery. I demonstrated your Gods (pharmaceutical companies) inject antimatter into people when using PET scans, and its reasonable to conclude, that they have no idea what long term damage antimatter does within a human body. Your Gods are the ones sticking poison and dangerous chemicals into peoples bodies without trials, and not knowing the long term effects, and you have the audacity to demand me and others provide evidence that these poisons and dangerous chemicals cause harm. LOL Wouldn’t it make more sense for your Gods to provide evidence that their chemicals and poison doesn’t cause harm or massive side effects before injecting them into innocent people? How in the name of GOD, can you in good conscience defend and not question the morals, ethics and principal methodologies of the current medical institution and pharmaceutical industry, when you know they still poison and kill cancer patients by giving them toxic Chemotherapy? If they still poison people with Chemotherapy drugs, isn't reasonable to concede, they are are not telling the truth or the whole facts about other drugs? I thought the medical profession swore an oath “TO DO NO HARM”. Obviously swearing an oath by the medical profession meaning diddly squat these days, if they can get a few financial kick-backs from they pharmaceutical masters.
Not everyone can be vaccinated - that is what herd protection is really about. Take Whooping Cough/Pertussis. It takes out babies - kills them. They are too young to vaccinate so unless the "herd" is immunised there is a significant risk of more babies dying
Ummmm - you DO know what a positron is don't you? You DO know that they exist in nature don't you? You do realise that the total amount of radiation a patient receives is about equivalent to one jet flight. You are exposed to far more radiation from coal smoke if you live downwind from a power station A CT produces roughly the same amount of radiation as a PET http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20100331/faq-radiation-risk-from-medical-imaging Yes there are risks - which is why we do not do them daily on people Ooops here comes the homeopathy sales pitch - IT'S WATER!!! If what you claim WERE true - then going into a hospital would be a death sentence and no-one would ever come out again/
Polio was eradicated in Syria in 1979 but in the last two years since the conflict broke out they once again have polio.
On principal, I agree that its irresponsible for any parent not to vaccinate their children against life threatening childhood disease. But, I don't agree with forced vaccinations. Especially when politicians withhold welfare payments, because that is not their money to withhold.
The thread was never about whether we should vaccinate or not. Please, read my opening statement and then stop and think for a minute before replying. I am concerned about the way the government is holding welfare recipients to ransom over vaccinating children. This equates to forced medication. Do you agree with putting fluoride in all drinking water? Is it right that parents receiving welfare payments should be severely punished for not vaccinating their children? The government has made it a quasi crime for welfare recipients who do not vaccinate their children, should this be happening? I am sure there are much better ways to encourage vaccination.
I believe you are intelligent enough to know what I stated about Chemotherapy is correct, so stop playing semantics. You also know Chemotherapy kills good cells along with the bad, and eventually destroys the patients immune system - is that honoring the Hippocratic Oath by: DOING NO HARM to the patient? I think the old adage is correct in many instances: "a doctor is the only one who can bury their own mistakes". Having an open mind to all medicine philosophies doesn't mean I have a "sales pitch" that usually comes from mainstream medicine and pharmaceutical companies with something to sell.
Government holding welfare recipients to ransom over vaccinating children - NO Forced medication - NO Putting fluoride in all drinking water - NO Is it right that parents receiving welfare payments should be severely punished for not vaccinating their children - NO The government has made it a quasi crime for welfare recipients who do not vaccinate their children, should this be happening - NO If anyone agrees to any of these terms, then they have just agreed on a very nasty dictatorship.
You DO know that the whole body long duration exposure in a high altitude flight is vastly different from a short duration focused exposure for imaging purposes don't you? The fact is some kids have a hyperactive immune response (they have more, and more active, monocytes) and that the medical establishment does not screen for this. I'd suggest those kids might be more vulnerable to the barrage of closely timed, multiple injections designed specifically to cause a big immune response. I just hope that science finds some links so people can sue the arse out of the government when it can be proven their 'safe' vaccination schedule was the cause for various natures of organ damage in some kids. Do they offer different schedules, so parents can opt for a more spread out, one at a time, regime to minimize any bad reaction?
And some have mitochondrial abnormalities that the immune response might trigger We do not screen for those either It is a risk/benefit analysis Yes there are some risks but overall the benefits far far far outweigh the risks Now if you can prove your hypothesis in relation to monocyte activation and immune response (and bloody good luck to you immunology is one of the more complex branches of medicine) then it lies like a rotten fish in the barrel of discarded half baked opinions
This isn't Sparta, we don't sacrifice the few for the many, we give equal rights, a fair go, and make best. Yes, that is where we are Though I dunno about the fish....
All I can say is that there is some dumb too deep to plumb The contention that cancer patients are dying from chemotherapy is not mine and it is up to the person making the statement to support their hypothesis/wild wacky conspiracy theory - - - Updated - - - We do - all the time. Would you rather we sacrificed the many for the few? Tell me - do you have a link for the role of monocytes in the immune response to vaccinations or have we been reading the back of Coco pops boxes again?
Ermmm, how is that comment related to the topic. The many are not vulnerable, it is the few who would be. Those vulnerable are going to be vulnerable whether they run into it here or elsewhere. Herd immunity still works, it reduces the chance of the few from getting it also no matter the reason they might be few. I didn't say that, so at least one of us can read.... don't mix your boxes up BB. I said some kids are known to have hyper active immune systems.
It's the parent's job to protect their child as best they can, more then it is the governments. So the correct way to go about this IMO is to reward parents who do rather then punish parents who don't.
You have the same attitude as Josef Mengele. No wonder more & more people are turning away from conventional medicine.
Oi????? A few MAY have a side effect from vaccine administration (and the autism thing has been so completely debunked it is not worth thinking about) but if it stops an epidemic........... Did you see the tents set up outside the Emergency Departments during the H1N1 epidemic? We dodged a BIG bullet with that one - still enough people went down with it - mostly pregnant women who died And that was a small taste. No one ever wants to see another polio epidemic but one has broken out in Syria. Far out I remember what happened before we had the Rotavirus vaccine - you did not wan to go near a kid unless you wanted to spend the next few days counting knotholes on the back of the toilet door. Varicella vaccine - surely chickenpox is harmless............ except it hides inside your body and comes back to say hi later in life in the form of shingles not to mention encephalitis These are the very very real diseases prevented by vaccination
Syria had been polio free since 1979.. Now they have polio again... since the conflict began in 2011.
A last! Somebody actually addressed the topic of the thread. Yes, that is a good idea, reward those who do.
