No Veto: UN Security Council Adopts Anti-settlement Resolution; U.S. Abstains PART 2

UN ambassadors are not just a group of people who are mindlessly doing something. They do as what they are told by their governments. Those governments represent the people of the country. So in a way, UN ambassadors are the voice of all the people of the world.

And when the people of the world represented by their UN ambassadors have a consensus you do not understand, that it's you who is failing here and unable to make sense .... not the rest of the worlds population. It is as simple as that.

 

I realize UN ambassadors do what their governments tell them to do. That's why people like me ask what the hell is wrong with the the UN that they would act the way they do?

 

Well over a million Iraqis have died since the US attacked Iraq for the purpose of ' Israel's security '. Over 4 million have been displaced. 5,000 Americans died for ' Israel's security ' and tens of thousands more are permanently disabled. Iraq is a failed state. Dozens are killed almost every day. Bombings are normal.
No Israelis died for ' Israel's security '. Israel is hated so much by every state in the region that its presence in the slaughter of Iraqis would have initiated WW3.
Libya too was anti-Zionist, so was Afghanistan and so is Syria. The combined dead of these state-killing wars and their aftermath probably equals the entire Jewish population of Israel.
What are we left with ? A promise of war with Iran for ' Israel's security '. Wake up. Cut Israel loose and condemn Zionism as the rest of the world does. It is a failed social experiment. Judaism and fascism are not good bedfellows.

 

You fail to make any sense.
I just told you those ambassadors do what their governments represented by it's people do.
Your question about the UN should be directed to the governments of those ambassadors and it's people.
/facepalm

 

I was referring to the UN being so anti-semitic and hating Israel and stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

You fail to make any sense.
I just told you those ambassadors do what their governments represented by it's people do.

This UN Security Council resolution was made by Malaysia, New Zealand, Senegal and Venezuela.
You tell me if they are anti-Israel / anti-semitic with sources please. Because I doubt it.

The countries who voted for this are:
China
France
Russia
United Kingdom
Angola
Egypt
Japan
Spain
Ukraine
Uruguay

Well I can give you Egypt as anti-Israel / anti-semitic,...but France, UK and Japan?
Please provide me some sources that these countries are like that. Because I doubt it.


In the end. How is it not that you can not conclude that it is Israel who is in the wrong?
And I think you're just bluntly ruling out Israel is wrong, because its a Jew nation.

 

Now, I DO agree that:

In addition to such frequent condemnations by the U.N., do you ever wonder why so many people hold Israel in such low regard?

“BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations”
“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular...”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890
EXCERPT “The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; ...
The survey, conducted among 26,000 people in 25 countries, found Germany to be the most popular country. 59 percent of respondents, who were asked to rate 16 countries according to how positively they impact the world, placed Germany at the top.”CONTINUED


And, do you ever wonder what Israeli's think about Americans who support Israel?
"Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people." (see below)



“What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”
http://forward.com/articles/216074/...out-americans-start-with/?p=all#ixzz3U6lIMhyL

EXCERPT “Jerusalem — Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

An American might respond with the saying “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me,” and observe that this outlook, with deep roots in the American psyche, rebuts the Israeli stereotype of Americans as ever-trusting.
But for many Israelis, the question is, why trust anyone even once?

In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.

“I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”
The fact that Israelis see their benefactor as overly credulous also breeds resentment in some corners of Israeli society."CONTINUED


You're still welcome to support whichever nation you chose but I would be reluctant to support a population who considers me "...overly credulous..." for doing so.

 

So that is the consensus that you are comparing to actual votes taken in the un reflecting national policy's

 

What do Palestinians have under Israeli rule?

 

Peace?

I have news for you, my friend - Judea and Samaria (and Israel, of course) are the only places in the Middle East, where Arab men feel safe and secure.

Ask me what do Arab women have in Israel, Samaria and Judea that they do not have anywhere else in the region, and I shall tell you

 

Um no they don't. They can have their land taken and have no ability to redress. Their neighbourhoods are surrounded by settlers.

And Arab Palestinian women don't have the vote either.

In fact what representation do palestinans in the West Bank have in planning where settlers live?

 

They don't? No wonder, evil Abbas is still president.

 

Abbas has no power over the West Bank. He is as subject to Israel as anyone. He has no vote either. The occupation continues.

 

Is that so? Does he own the purse? Does he pay stipend to the widows of Palestinian terrorists, and name streets after them?

Then he the has power in Samaria and Judea.

 

It is not only possible. It is a matter of fact that Israel is both a democracy and a Jewish state. Anything may happen and Israel may change its nature just like any country in the world but it won't happen in the forseeable future. And it is not undemocratic for Israel not to give citizenship to a people who celebrate terrorist acts and wish for its total destruction.

 

You should look at the data on the numbers/frequency of the ethnic cleansing of Bedouin inside ' Israel '
You should look at the data on the numbers/frequency of Palestinian homes demolitions inside ' Israel' and Occupied Palestine.
You should look at the data on the numbers/frequency of murders of Arabs at Israeli checkpoints and during Israeli raids
You should look at the data on the numbers of Arabs in Zionist dungeons and see the percentage that are there without charge.

You should, in fact, learn something about the fascist regime you cheer-lead for.

 

Abbas is a puppet president whose legal mandate ran out years ago. He was installed by the US/Israel after their unsuccessful coup attempt against the democratically-elected Palestinian government and his continued presence is unconstitutional.

You should learn something about the fascist regime you cheer-lead for.

 

Yea but there wont be that much of a retreat to the seperation barrier, living here helps to get a better grasp on reality, no offense to those who read alot on the subject.

 

You don't understand the term ' Jewish state ' or you don't understand the term ' democracy '.
As John Kerry recently said- Israel has to choose between the two because it cannot be both.
He's wrong, however. Israel cannot be a ' Jewish state '. 25% of Israelis aren't Jewish. Democracy is its only hope- and it is absolutely lousy at being democratic so far.

 

So Israel got the US and Europe fight for it in Iraq, Libya, got Arabs fighting each other in Syria, we probebly did a few things in Egypt because many Arabs died there too, all that and we couldnt get a single favourite vote in the last resolution ? according to your logic how can Israel be sooo powerful and make countries fight for it, Arabs kill each other - but gets nothing on issues most important to it ?

 

You are among the last ppl on Earth that can define what a Jewish state is, its simply a state with Jewish majurity securing Jewish culture and faith, the original scroll on which the foundation of a Jewish state were written also declare that minorities are welcomed and rights will be secured - as Israeli Arabs do get, those who agree to be citizens, so by definition it can and is today a Jewish democracy.

You continue to demonize Israel and Zionism - not right wingers or "neo-zionists" as you declared once. so cut the BS next time, thx.

 

Are you seriously putting this forward as a denial of Zionist influence upon US foreign policy through a Congress and Senate corrupted by Israel Firsters ?
Are you about to deny that it is not US foreign policy which has destroyed Iraq and Libya ?

 

All these things to the detriment of Israel's 25% non-Jewish population and in complete denial of the right of return of the Palestinian Arab refugee diaspora which Zionists expelled from their own homeland. Face up to it. If Israel complies with internationbal law- as it is bound to do- then there would be no ' Jewish majority '. Zionism, therefore, must be criminal by default.
I think I know more about what a ' Jewish state ' means than you do. You have much to gloss and conceal- I have no such restrictions.

 

Guilt by assiciation from such a liberal law abiding democratic individual as you ? unlikly......, I suppose its better than screaming at me "Did Bush had a Jewish grandma or not ?!? ", yea you are one level better than those hill billy nazis.

 

lol, I love it when your real face shows up, so you dont follow all that Pal-Isr state thing, this resulotion is not a start of an agreemnet for 2 states for you, its the start of Israel destruction follwed by an immigration of Millions of Arabs into it.

I rest my case.....