No Veto: UN Security Council Adopts Anti-settlement Resolution; U.S. Abstains

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  1. rammstein

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    The level of control that is held on this narrative in America is astonishing.

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    Like I said, If they can keep it, then it's theirs! All land throughout the world has changed hands time and time again. Everyone has taken someone else's land. Lands have been conquered, re-conquered and then conquered again. The middle east has changed hands 21 times since time was recorded.

    Back to your question. Could care a less

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    But honestly, did you really ever have any doubt? Knew it all along. hussein will always side with his brethren
     
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    Mostly I see people fall into two camps, those who believe criticism of any nation is legitimate and then those who believe criticism of any nation is legitimate except if it's about Israel.

    I used to play a little game. I'd be provocatively critical of the US and there'd be a mild grumbling, then I'd be provocatively critical of Israel and people would lose their lunch and scream choice variations of 'Jew hater!' at me, often accompanied by a host of other bigoted drivel.

    Today I see right wing politicos make common cause with the settlers in Israel and then seek to introduce laws which conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism to silence dissent.
     
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    It's easy to tell the difference between someone who is simply "critical of Israel" and a "Jew hater".
     
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    Its a good solid call by Obama. If the rest of the world sees fit to condemn these settlements through the UN, let the rest of the world condemn these settlements through the UN. Why on earth we ever decided we had to run interference for Israel every single time the UN wanted to take a stance that made Israel uncomfortable is beyond me. We should never use our veto to protect Israel from facing its own image in the world directly. Even if the international community can do little else, we might as well stand aside and let it denounce what it sees as Israeli intransigence and militarism as exactly that. Protecting Israel from military aggression does not mean we have to stop the world from saying embarrassing or unkind remarks.
     
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    JERUSALEM — An Israeli official on Friday accused President Barack Obama of colluding with the Palestinians in a “shameful move against Israel at the U.N.” after learning the White House did not intend to veto a Security Council resolution condemning settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem the day before.

    “President Obama and Secretary Kerry are behind this shameful move against Israel at the U.N.,” the official said. “The U.S administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel’s back which would be a tail wind for terror and boycotts and effectively make the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory,” he said calling it “an abandonment of Israel which breaks decades of US policy of protecting Israel at the UN.”

    Earlier he said Israel’s prime minister turned to President-elect Donald Trump to help head off the critical U.N. resolution.

    Although the U.S. opposes the settlements, it has traditionally used its veto power as a permanent member of the Security Council to block resolutions condemning Israel, saying that disputes between Israel and the Palestinians must be resolved through negotiations. But after eight years of failed peace efforts during the Obama Administration, Israel has expressed concern the outgoing president would take an audacious step to leave his mark on the region. In recent weeks, the White House had been especially secretive about its deliberations.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...9924caa2450_story.html?utm_term=.3eb39514b9f3

    On behalf of the religion President Obama said the morning prayer of "is the most beautiful sound" - unlike a Christian who would say the most beautiful prayer is the Lord's Prayer, he reversed the decades of USA support of Israel on behalf of the Empire of Islam. No surprise. An abstention was the same as voting for the resolution in effect - and everyone knows it.

    The United Nations is A-OK with Muslims throwing gays off of rooftops, burying women up to their necks and stoning them to death, and multilating tens of millions of girls by cutting out their clitoris, just fine with imprisoning and murdering people for not bowing down to the religion of Islam or having a Bible, but condemns Israel building housing for their citizens.

    I've often pointed out we have had a pro-active radical Muslim president, the strongest supporter radical Islam and Islamic terrorists have, and his opposition to Israel has always been clear.

    Hatred of Jews is the oldest and most murderous bigotry and racism in the world - and put President Obama on the list of such bigots.
     
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    Hang on, Trump is in office in just a few days! He ain't pro-muslim!!!:clapping:
     
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    I fully support Obama's refusal to veto the U.N. Security Councils resolution demanding that Israel cease Jewish settlement activity on Palestinian territory. While it is indeed odd that one warmonger refuses to endorse another warmonger, the actions of Netanyahu are reprehensible.
     
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    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Benjamin-Netanyahu/Israel-rejects-the-anti-settlement-resolution-at-the-United-Nations-476367
    What lovers of law, justice, etc will say? Maybe USA will try to force Israel to comply with the laws? Never! More important than international laws is the fact that the tongue of USA is stuck in the asss of Israel :roflol:
     
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    Netanyahu should be hauled up in front of the International Criminal Court.
     
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    Sure you do. They are Jews, and Jews have not rights what so ever.
     
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    I am Jewish...I am NOT pro-Israeli thuggery...

     
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    What lovers of law, justice, etc will say? Maybe USA will try to force Israel to comply with the laws? Never! More important than international laws is the fact that the tongue of USA is stuck in the asss of Israel :roflol:

    If Russia and USA will have agreed then I would not be surprised that USA would say "okay" in response to Russia's actions in Ukraine and the Baltic States.
    "To friends everything, to enemies the law!" = Impartial Western justice :roflol:
     
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    Uninstall the theme this is a repeat. Thank you.
     
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    What a very odd, non sequitur reply.
     
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    The ' peace ' with Egypt and Jordan is bought. It is paid for by the American taxpayer to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Trump promises an end to that. We'll see if his policies will set Israel on its own feet, instead of leeching its existence from the US taxpayer.

    Egypt, as all can see, still receives its annual billions of US dollars- even though it is currently ruled by a tyrannical leadership which came to power through an illegal coup and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of its own people. That's the flavor of the hypocrisy which the US has had to stomach over its support for Israeli criminality. Time for a Western Spring.
     
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    Clinton promised the same. Every administration promises the same. It goes with handing over billions of American dollars annually to criminal Israelis- but somehow the embassy never turns up in occupied territory. We'll see if Trump flaunts the international community- and international law. He doesn't need to. He's been elected already.
     
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    That's just the Israeli left-wing press attempting to mollify its shocked right-wing readership.
    It's true that the Resolution is not binding- but that simply means that the executive arm of the United Nations is not required to act. However, it is a very, very weighty Resolution diplomatically. Any state now supporting Israel's illegal occupation will be doing so in the face of international support for international law regarding seizure of territory by force. The passing of the Resolution also gives great credence to the BDS movement, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement which already had massive worldwide support even before the US refused to back the illegal Israeli settlements. It's becoming evermore difficult to openly support Israeli crime.

    Thank you. It's a pleasure to do my bit for the causes of truth and justice. Have a great yuletide and new year. :)
     
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    The only way Egypt gets American money is if they cooperate with the Zionist Colony currently occupying Palestine.
    Therefore, Aid to Egypt is simply more Aid to Israel:


    “Washington Watch: What does aid to Egypt get us?”
    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Washington-Watch-What-does-aid-to-Egypt-get-us-316326
    EXCERPT “ Peace with Israel is the locomotive that pulls aid to Egypt through the Congress,

    In prior years when Congress tried to link aid to Egypt to democratic reform and respect for human rights, some of the loudest objections came from the Israeli embassy in Washington, whose diplomats scurried to Capitol Hill to explain how vital that aid was to maintaining their peace treaty.”CONTINUED


    Meanwhile, what do Israelis think about their "American" Israel Firsters who prey on loyal Americans for their blood & money:


    “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”
    http://forward.com/articles/216074/...out-americans-start-with/?p=all#ixzz3U6lIMhyL

    EXCERPT “Jerusalem — Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.
    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    An American might respond with the saying “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me,” and observe that this outlook, with deep roots in the American psyche, rebuts the Israeli stereotype of Americans as ever-trusting.
    But for many Israelis, the question is, why trust anyone even once?

    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”CONTINUED
     
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    I'm unclear on this. Just what about the settlements is so provocative to Palestine. Are Palestinians permitted there, and what are the settlers doing, besides settling? And if they're just living there then why is that such a problem?
     
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    Because by international law you are not allowed to build settlements on occupied territory. Of course the Israeli's could settle there if they annexed the West Bank and gave universal suffrage.
     
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    These settlements are built on lands that are occupied (not owned) by Israel, and are inhabited by Jewish communities. It's a problem because Israel is inhabiting these lands with European Jewish immigrants while kicking out those Palestinians who have lived on the land for centuries.

    It's similar to what European settlers did in the Americas: defeat the native population militarily, and settle on their lands, while increasingly pushing them out. This similarity is no surprise, as the founders of Israel itself were Europeans who invaded Palestine and kicked out the native population.
     
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    The problem is obvious.

    “Article 8: Bringing up Palestinian youth in an Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty. All means of guidance, education and enlightenment should be utilized to introduce the youth to its homeland in a deep spiritual way that will constantly and firmly bind them together.” http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/palestine/pid/12363 {oops, link does not work, but it used to be there, it is just the first version prior to 1967.}

    “Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields.” (ibid)

    “Article 7: Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine.” (ibid)
     
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    Article 49 of the Geneva Convention:
    The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.


    Do note 1: deport or transfer =/= forced transfer.
    Do note 2: all the rest of article 49 is about ethnic cleansing.


    Since the West Bank, Golan and East Jerusalem are officially "occupied" means that Israel is in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions when it builds settlements for its own population on land that aint theirs. Since it's not theirs, than guess whose land it is? And no, Palestinians are not permitted there by the occupied power Israel, since they refuse all the building permits of them and approve their own. Israel is demolishing 100's and 100's of Palestinian houses every year outside Israel because they don't have building permits, because Israeli Jews have them... according to Israel. That is how Israel ethnic cleanses Palestinians with the paper work. But it's just totally illegally. Personally I don't understand the fuss about an ethnic cleansing Israeli who illegally lives across the border of Israel being run over by the rightful owners of the land.
     
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    Israeli's have no rights across the border of Israel to live their with Israeli permits.


    How about Mexico starts making permits for Mexicans to build houses in the US?
    That is just absolutely nuts, no?
     
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