Novak Djokovic to remain in visa limbo until Monday as he fights deportation from Australia

Wow!
Talk about completely missing the point.

Are you sure that you are in the correct thread?

And, as to this: "Nadal hasn't been competitive in years"?
^Obviously, that statement indicates one whom doesn't follow tennis very closely.

Nadal Won the French Open in 2020.
(When due to postponement it was played from Sep 27, 2020 – Oct 11, 2020).

Thus, less than 15 Months Ago, he Won a Major Title.

"hasn't been competitive in years"?
Yeah, right...

 

That is hilarious after watching five years of Trump get away with everything from outright fraud, grift, lies and declaring rules do not apply to him

 

In what ways was he being "an irresponsible asshat" last year when he caught COVID?
In what ways is he being "an irresponsible asshat" this time?

Do you believe that your opinion (and, I don't know what that is, but I'm working on the assumption that you are fully vaccinated and believe that everyone else should be fully vaccinated - which is your right, of course) about his stance on the vaccinations is worthy of consideration or do you believe that your opinion is the *absolute* stance everyone should have regarding the vaccinations?

Is there anything that you believe could be done to ensure that professional athletes are allowed the opportunity to make the choices they deem appropriate for their health and body or do you advocate all of them being vaccinated regardless of their personal viewpoints about the vaccinations.

In other words, where is the "line in the sand" between a person's right to choose for themselves or subject themselves to whatever/whenever the people that benefit from their "contributions" to whatever industry decides is the *right* course of action? Please keep in mind that any choice in either direction can potentially lead to irreparable harm *solely* for the person that is forced into that corner.

Further, given your own vaccine status, how do you propose that you can retain the right to make the choices you deem most fitting regardless of public opinion and how does that position reflect on your stance on how others *should* choose?

 

Aussies are currently at over 90% vaccinated

we have stepped up and done the right thing

 

I do find it ironic that many people who call the Australians “authoritarian” for enforcing rules about who can enter the country, are the same people who want to enforce strong border rules and even “build a wall” in America.

Is it authoritarian for a government to decide the rules for entering the country, or not?

 

Same people who want to dictate to women what they can do with their bodies too…

 

Perhaps what you're missing here is the fact that, like the United States (in your example) Australians are pretty strict on who gets to set foot on their island as well. Are they not? And instead of a wall that protects their little island, they have oceans that protect them from illegal immigration.

Since we aren't discussing illegal immigration here, the point is lost. The Australians behavior over what we are discussing which is legal visitation and work visas while visiting is the conversation. Do you have a comment on this behavior? And the authoritarianism comes about when the petty little tyrants decide that they want to change their minds after having already chosen to provide exception to then not honor their word to folks who then travel to work in their country. A visa is a legal instrument provided for folks to visit and work in your country. Those visas have rules. Having issued a visa seems to me at least to have committed Australia to honor that agreement. Instead, politicians looking to ride a news cycle by reneging on their legal agreement with a visiting tennis professional actually is the conversation being had. And the rationale for doing so isn't to protect or otherwise serve the nation's health interests, it was petty and cynical. It deserves the attention of the rest of us, and the derision that we can ascribe to it.

 

I'll make it simple...Everybody should get vaccinated..

 

Apparently the information he provided in order to obtain the visa may have been false.
Or the visa required him to present further evidence upon arrival.
In either case, it’s perfectly reasonable for Australia to revoke the visa. That’s not authoritarian.

 

Lol…it’s autocracy when you disagree but the rule of law when you agree, eh? Why is no one here surprised?

 

I'm reading today that something called Tennis Australia gave Djokovic the wrong information on what was required to get into the country.

SNIP
“Tennis Australia said that he could play and that’s fine, that’s their call, but we make the call at the border,” Mr Morrison said on Thursday.

“The rules are made known to all travellers. They get on a plane based on their own view that they’ll be able to meet those requirements and if they can’t, well, they can’t come in. That’s just how the rules work.
ENDSNIP

https://7news.com.au/sport/tennis/p...-novak-djokovic-in-deportation-saga-c-5203173

Bad situation, and I can see why Djokovic is pissed, but he's truly brought this on himself by being selfish...

 

Does not matter - he could have provided adequate proof - an antibody test would have sufficed - he does not have to come to our country and we have no obligation to let him in

 

And not getting his high priced lawyers to double check

 

All true statements. When the Australian Open is removed then from the prestige of being a grand slam event, folks will understand that as well. If Australia was honest, it would change the name to the Australian (only who we want to participate) invitational. Because, clearly, it isn't open anymore.

 

As far as I'm aware Djokovic has not declared that he caught covid last year. However...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...s-tournament-became-coronavirus-mess/12387086

 

We still have no obligation to let anyone in - we have banned whole cricket teams before today and that is a waaaay more serious action

 

I wish you'd refused entry to the England team.

 

I'm going to predict that an Australian F1 race isn't ever going back on the schedule. And even if it does, it won't go off. Why? Because F1 won't tolerate the cost of having to "quarantine" the show for two weeks prior to a race. It isn't all bad though. The US might pick up it's third race for a year in Las Vegas.

 

Yeah well when was the last time you beat us

Cheer up though - you are only down 158 runs

 

Free thinkers and those who honor bodily autonomy have no place in Australia or the US.

 

I dunno....F1 seems to be on the cutting edge as a pro-vax organization...

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-drivers-front-a-campaign-urging-covid-19-vaccination/6873159/

Scheduled for April... I assume any drivers or crew planning on participating have rolled up their sleeves...

 

I'd just suggest reading the quarantine language again. That still seems to be in play regardless of vaccination status.

Travellers to Australia need to comply with requirements in the state or territory of their arrival, and any other state or territories that you plan to travel to. This includes quarantine and post-arrival testing requirements. Restrictions may change at short notice.

Quarantine requirements in Australia are determined by State and Territory governments.

If you wish to travel on to another state or territory you may not be allowed to enter, or may be subject to a quarantine period.

It is your responsibility to ensure that you meet entry, quarantine and post-arrival testing arrangements for each state or territory that you intend to travel to. You may be responsible for costs of quarantine if you arrive in a state or territory without meeting entry requirements.


https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/vaccinated-travellers#toc-7

Seems to be a real issue still.

 

Errr you HAVE looked at a map sometime haven’t you?


The pointy bit? That is Cape York. The big island north of us? That is Papua New Guinea



Now the Torres Straight Islanders have been canoeing between Cape York and Papua for centuries by island hopping in canoes but they are not a huge problem beyond an infectious diseases issue (Papua has some nasty endemic bugs). It is the relatively short distance between Indonesia and Australia and it does not take 6 months in a leaky boat, it is pretty uninhabited across a lot of the top and the navy does patrol but some still did and do get through - until of course we made it damn clear that you are better off coming here legally than illegally. But most illegal immigrants come here by simply overstaying visas

 

I did a quick read and it looks like the "issue" is reckless abandon of COVID mitigation efforts.

I don't follow that sport so I don't know if they have been playing some time between COVID's arrival to today, but, if they have, how is this event any different to the level of proximity to others during warm-ups and games? I didn't see anyone with masks in those photos and I doubt they wear them while playing so, outside that, what is *the* crux of the problem?

 

Here's the quarantine site for Victoria/Melbourne, where the F1 will be held...

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/information-overseas-travellers

If vaccinated, all you need to do is get a negative test result. I hope testing is better there than here, but I suspect they'll bend over backwards to get those associated with this event speedy results.

SNIP
If you are fully vaccinated with a vaccine approved or recognised by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), or aged below 12 years and 2 months, then you must:

• Immediately quarantine at home or other private accommodation upon arrival. Get a PCR test or a rapid antigen test within 24 hours of arriving in Australia and continue to quarantine until you get a negative result.

ENDSNIP