Now even The Muppets are branded racist

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  1. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure, but how is that different from the tiny group of people moaning about the warning message and expecting everything to change to meet their demands?
     
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    I get your point. Totally! I think people are more annoyed with WHY is this needed than that their lives were ruined by some text on the screen.
     
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    Thank you. You are so wise and so pure in thought. Your motives are like the unbeflecked snow of the Andes Mountains. It heightens my spirit to hear from you.

    Now, please explain to me the exact reason why 18 muppet episodes have been pulled, which means that the overwhelming majority of episodes are still running.

    I eagerly await your erudite explanation!!!
     
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  4. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    because of social "justice" and whining from BLM for starters
    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56153016

    I'm not heavily invested in this, there are more important things to worry about, but it is lame and unnecessary to put those disclaimers. NO VALUE ADD
     
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  5. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah, and since this show was aired in 1970s-1980s we're adding another 20 to 30 years on top of the existing 20 years. :)
     
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    I can only defend my own past positions not those of others, and I have been uniformly pro-speech no matter the content of that speech for as long as I have had political opinions.
     
  7. Zorro

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    IT’S GETTING HARDER BEING GREEN
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    "The forces of authoritarianism have come for, of all things, the Muppets. I did not speak out, because I wasn’t a Muppet… But seriously: Disney has gone stark, raving mad: Anyone who streams “The Muppet Show” on Disney+ will see a disclaimer first — warning of “offensive content.”"

    Not the song rights crap you discuss above. They warn "offensive content" and not just on 18 shows.
    Not one damn word about song rights or the misdeeds of a co star.
    "Muppets suspected of being anti-pig."
    The far-left speech police fully deserve the mocking and ridicule they are being subjected to.

    Just think, if you too were a conservative dedicated to the preservation of our Liberal Constitutional Democracy, you too could mock and ridicule the speech police.
     
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    I love you guys. One right wing propaganda rag feeds you misinformation, I correct it, so you rush to yet another right wing propaganda rag for more misinformation. It is bizarre that you think that because some right wing propaganda piece quoting another right wing propaganda piece doesn't say it is true that it isn't. Did it even occour to you to look further? Of course not. Garbage in, garbage out.

    Now, I could post link after link citing the fact that only a handful of episodes have the 12 second warning (OH MY GOD 12 WHOLE SECONDS!!!!), but you wouldn't read them. So, I'll just use one - from a right wing propaganda network owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6234579501001

    Looks like they actually bothered to contact Disney rather than quoting a right wing newspaper that itself only referenced a twitter feed. You could just do some more research yourself.....OK, we all know that isn't happening.

    As for the 'Song rights crap' and 'misdeeds of a co-star':

    https://ew.com/tv/why-muppet-show-episodes-are-missing-from-disney-plus/

    And since you seem to struggle researching stuff, here is a list of the cuts. They all look suspiciously like musical numbers:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Muppets/comments/lnajhk/muppet_show_is_on_disney/gnzzx2k/

    So, just to repeat, NOTHING has been cut because 'far left speech police' demanded it, but numerous episodes have suffered cuts becaue of music rights. In fact, that issue appears to have held up widespread release. Let me guess, butchering a TV show because some suit who couldn't write a song with a gun to his head wants a paycheck is just fine, but putting a short warning in front of a handful episodes is the END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!

    While it has always been clear that supposed 'free speech' warriors and would be preservers of history care nothing about either, it is useful to have you display it so clearly. Maybe stick to cutting & pasting 'Dirty Bob' into random articles. Its about your level.
     
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    Now even The Muppets are branded racist

    I truly hate it when businesses pay any attention to cancel culture. Shame on you Disney.
     
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    An example of the bile and venom that makes a reasonable discussion difficult, if not impossible. Would it have been too onerous to make your points without all the insulting language?
     
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    And yet your explanation is not the one Disney themselves presented.
     
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    In the case of Chris Langham there has been no explanation, though it isn't a very long bow to draw. In the case of the missing musical numbers there has been an explanation.
     
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    Are you planning on running this sort of commentary on every post that fails to meet your lofty standards, or is it just my lucky day? If so then you won't have much time to beat your climate change hobby horse....or do much of anything else.

    The OP has a track record of posting tripe like this and the people who jumped on his bandwagon without bothering to do even the slightest bit of research have similar records. I have long since lost patience with people who throw a hissy fit without even putting in the minute required to inform themselves. If you have different standards then good for you. Hopefully you can manage to maintain them after a few years of this sort of thing on a daily basis.
     
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    And yet:
    'This programme includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now.

    'Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.'
     
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    And yet you seem to have ignored Disney's own explanation.
    'This programme includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now.

    'Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.'
     
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    “this program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures”. “These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now,” the warning said. “Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together," it said.

    Nothing about that indicates that the issue is "music rights" in fact, your claim doesn't match the warning attached to this programing at all. But, as a free speech conservative I'd fight to the death to protect your right to be loud as hell, while wrong as all get out. So knock yourself out!
     
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    Have they relied on actual research that would have suggested that the shows have had a negative influence on kids or is this just another woke moment?
     
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    If talking heads with hands up their a$$es offend you, why not cancel congress?
     
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    The level of batshit insanity has reached a new zenith. It's become so bad folks, that a Muppet message is now part of cancel culture. Pass the plate at Sunday Mass? Cancel culture. Take a few swings in the batting cages? Cancel culture. Picking up the tab? Cancelled. Cancel...cancel...cabcel culture...cabmal crichur...cibmob crumber...

    AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

    Oh, let's not forget the hatred...and the fear...

    Something's been cancelled alright.
     
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    Hate to burst your bubble here but Disney is NOT the Left.
     
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    They are trying to appease the left.
     
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    You do realize that Disney is an international organization, right? Their products and services touch every continent. I think they have bigger concerns than appeasing "Lefties". It's more like they're looking out for their $$$.
     
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    It seems that way, yes. I think the reality is something different.

    Disney, like every other high-profile corp, is trying to appease everybody. We've been through this before with gay marriage. Businesses maximize profit by celebrating diversity. That the left also celebrates diversity is merely coincidental. Rest assured the move to recognize and promote our diversity by private enterprise is above all a business decision.
     
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    No. Disney's international exposure only makes the left a larger threat for them, not smaller.
     

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