NRA Commentary Admits The Odds Of Needing A Gun To Defend Yourself Are Infinitesimal

Huh... I've used a firearm to defend myself three times. And it worked precisely as one would reasonably expect that it would... .

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Wow, do you REALLY don't have an answer, do you? I asked you to produce the LAW that confiscates guns from law abiding citizens. You couldn't, so you throw out some generalized and simplistic assertion. Newsflash: cops confiscate guns from SUSPECTS in a crime. They have to justify that in a court of law. There is no incidence where cops just confiscate guns EN MASSE from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS for the hell of it.
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Ummm, not quite. You do understand that YOU fall into the percentage that Noir initially stated, right? This is assuming that you are telling the truth. And since you are (I assume) a law abiding citizen who legally purchased his gun, then the INSINUATION by Noir that the government would or will DENY you that gun is SHOT TO HELL BY YOU!

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I'm afraid they did, it was called Hurricane Katrina.

It has also happened in Canada.

 

its not a "crime" to let your permit expire but the cops will still take your gun away
"shall not be infringed"

 

How many citations would you like? Any state that has enacted a prohibition on the ownership of so-called "assault weapons" includes a provision where the firearm in question must be surrendered to the police, or removed from state territory.

The aftermath of hurricane Katrina.

 

Nonsense...

The premise is that it is rare to the point of statistical non existence that a person would use a firearm to defend itself. I'm a person who has so used a firearm 3 times in 55 years of life.

That I purchased the firearm legally, is irrelevant to that premise. What IS relevant is that I have several times, used a firearm in self defense. And given that I am a person who is otherwise not unique, beyond my intrinsically understanding my rights and the duty to defend my means to exercise those right, the question becomes, what then would be the difference between those like me who DO USE a firearm in defense of their life and those who do not.

I would also point out, that I have also been violently attacked, while fully armed... literally with a loaded firearm in my hands, and chose NOT to use my firearm in my defense.

Which again, brings the question to why... what are the conditions which produce these results and why do others choose differently and which of the two is correct, or which of the two provides the highest potential to sustain the viability of the relevant culture.

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I shot a mugger. good thing i had a gun

better thing for the muggers I had a gun

why you might ask?

well I only had to shoot one mugger-and not fatally to stop the mugging. No gun, I would have had to use my knife and 6 years of hardcore knife tactics including military and Silat knife skills. chances are, by the time they stopped fighting, both would have been fatally shredded from a figure eight through the midsections

one gunshot saved two lives and kept my injury to a broken nose

 

Sorry, but YOU don't get to over-ride State and Federal law with your personal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. There is that nagging phrase "well regulated militia".....that means the STATE sets LAWS (regulation) regarding gun ownership. If your driver license lapse and you drive anyway, you break the law. If your gun permit lapse and you use that weapon publicly for any reason, you break the law. There are several ways to respond depending on the severity of the infraction from fines to impounding.

Try as you might, history will not let you and others of your mindset use the 2nd amendment as a license to do whatever the hell you want regarding weapons ownership in this country. A law abiding citizen can own a weapon WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF STATE & FEDERAL LAW.

 

give me a break! Yahoos during a national disaster wanting to walk around and do whatever they please! Someone should hip them to the concept of MARTIAL LAW during a disaster. As to the excessive force on the old lady....file that complaint and SUE! But then that video was very EDITED a'la' Breitbart. Whatever.

 

I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it.

 

whatever your beef is with my OP, you haven't made your case.

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then go get it within state & federal law. No one is stopping you.

 

you dont have to use a gun for police to take it.

 

So what, using the same principle we should ban them because the chance of you needing one to SAVE YOUR LIFE like in the gun comparision are infantisenally small.

The original statement fails.

 

No that is NOT what the phrase "well regulated militia" means. And yes the militia is every armed citizen. After Katrina in New Orleans after government protection failed it was the armed citizens who protected their life and property, the militia.

 

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No kidding? Since I pointed if the license is lapse, they can take it...just like with a car.

 

Sorry, but your illogical comparison of a lifeboat to a gun is just that...illogical, as I demonstrated. Again, you want a gun to carry around....GO APPLY FOR THE PERMIT IN YOUR STATE...NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU, and no one is banning or confiscating your gun, despite Noir's false implying so.

 

no, they dont take your car when your license expires.

 

I know my chances of needing a gun are very slim. My chances of loosing my house in a tornado or a flood are very slim, I still carry flood insurance. My chances of my car being stolen are very slim. I still carry full coverage insurance.

I have actually used a gun to defend myself. As a result nobody had to die, nobody was injured nobody was even arrested. The slim odds exist, that is why I carry.

 

Ditto... x3

Its amazing how quickly those with nefarious intent rethink their management style, when that muzzle levels down on 'em. And the look on their FACE! LOL! It's HYSTERICAL!

 

I did it because tempers were flaring, and people were becoming very hostile. Somebody would have absolutely gotten hurt.

Looking back on it I found it terrifying. All I could say to myself was "please don't make me have to shoot somebody." From witness testimony I actually said that out loud, from my perspective it was my mind'a voice. I guess my willingness to drop the hammer if I had to was enough to quell the tempers. I thanked my lucky stars that I could holster my weapon and not have to use deadly force.

I actually hope it makes everybody there more aware of their surroundings and less likely to move directly to violence when they are "disrespected.

 

Man! You don't need to explain it in public. But... the wrong prosecutor would have had you by the short hairs, with a fair argument for brandishing a firearm. (Not saying that what you did was the wrong thing to do; I wasn't there... .)

My first time, I was returning to Camp Pendleton after just getting married... I had partied for a long couple of weeks and drove us out as far as El Paso... (From SW FL... about 36 hours of straight driving). Anywho we were in a Chevy Van, loaded to the hilt with my Brides worldly possessions... and the only spot to lay down was carved out right by the back door. There was no way to get from there to the front.

I woke up with her shouting for me to wake up... she was crying saying that some bikers had been harassing her, driving up and holding onto the door handles, blowin' kisses and all that sort of nonsense.

I looked around and didn't see anyone... but I told her to pull into the next station, which she did.

She opened the back door and I got out with my 12Gg (Smith 916 18" pump). Set the pump handle in tank and sure enough the unmistakable growl of Straight pipe Bikes came rollin' in.

I set the shot gun in the wheel well of the passenger door, and leaned in against the seat and waited.

They pulled in... there were six of 'em. They eye balled me... and got off their bikes starin' me down. I returned the stare and stood there... waiting to get a sense of their intentions.

As the first guy crossed over the from their side, he got his first look at the Smith... and paused, looked and me... I looked back, gave him a nod and a smile. He smiled back, turned around, saddled up... said something I couldn't hear and the rest followed suit and they road on down the road.

I had sent the Mrs. into the diner... and she came out... ALL bowed up with pride and hormonal overdrive.

I spent the next hour or so on watch, but we never saw the fellas again.

And I gotta tell ya, there was absolutely NO downside for me in that entire thing. Everyone made out all the better for the exercise, as far as I could tell... .

Without the weapon, words likely would have been exchanged and someone could have been seriously injured if a fight had broken out.

The way I did it, I made it clear that if anyone was going to BE injured, I intended that it would not be me, or anyone for whom I was responsible.

They agreed that it wasn't worth pursuing, I agreed.

 

So your principle doesn't stand up to scrutiny does it.

 

and those who oppose other citizens from owning defense weapons should wear signs on their clothing and have signs in front of their homes indicating they are unarmed

gun banners should not be able to hide under the umbrella of uncertainty armed citizens cast upon criminals who do not know who is armed and thus might be hesitant to break into a home and find it armed

 

All you really have to do to beat the court is knew the language. I was actually having to deal with road rage. I and the people in my car were in danger.

I only got out of my vehicle to see if everybody was okay. Particularly my passenger. He was really shook up. One of my other passengers was watching and said that the other driver had a weapon, I turned when he was about ten feet away and he had a huge pair of bolt cutters in his hand and a furious look. My passenger started to panic and he suffers from anxiety attacks or did at the time. I yelled at him to stop and relax, he screamed an obscenity at me and reared back his bolt cutters. I pulled my 45 on him and had the muzzle of it right in his face. I had backed up into the passenger door. I knew I could get three shots off before he could raise those bolt cutters.

One off my passengers had grabbed a crowbar abd was walking around to the right side of the car. The one in the back right was crying and screaming. Once he lowered the bolt cutters and the rage subsided I told him to put it down. He did. He saw the kid in the passenger seat panicking. The passenger in the rear right was on the phone with the police.

I got the boy calmed down before the police arrived. They asked every passenger separately. They told the fellow with the bolt cutters that he was lucky.