NRA, Repubs block new law to stop suspected terrorists from buying guns

I've had discussions or read where NRA/gun-toting supporters proclaim that we have enough laws - just enforce the. My point was (and remains) that the NRA and supporters have done a wonderful job of either killing legislation outright or "amending" it to the point where it's worthless. Now, could anyone tell me why someone who is a suspected terrorist and prohibited from flying is perfectly ok to buy pretty much the weapon of their choice? And many have. So, for all of my NRA friends and supporters out there, how does this make you feel? are you ok with it? see any potential problems down the road?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

 

That makes no sense.

You can't get on an airplane for fear you might do something terrible. Would you care to buy some firearms instead?

 

Precisely. And now you understand today's Republicans and what passes for "thinking" in their circles.

 

Oh ye of short memories...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17073-2004Aug19.html

The No fly list is hardly a credible source to act on....

 

The solution is simple: we can all stop flying and go back to wagons as the NRA continues to destroy American progress as they try to arm children, mental patients, criminals and terrorists.

 

Please provide documentation of your claims.... This should be fun....

 

What I see is this, the FBI watch list expands daily, but it's classified so we're not allowed to see the list or even know what criteria they use in placing people on the list. That's a rather frightening degree of secrecy considering US citizens can end up on the list without notification or even allowed to know why? So, since we do have a 2nd amendment right to bear arms, it's seems having that right denied without due process isn't as cut & dried as the anti-gunners are portraying it as. Even the ACLU is highly suspect of the FBI's process in putting people on the watch list which has swelled to +1,000,000 names. http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/04/sec-090424-voa01.htm

So, since, according to sources, only about 5% of the names on the watchlist are US citizens, why not exempt them from these proposed restrictions? Or, better yet, why not make it much, much harder for foreigner's on the watch list from being here in the first place?

 

Well, my problem is that the terrorist watch list is unconstitutional. It takes away the right to free travel without any sort of due process. I personally think that the terrorist watch list should be just that, a watch list. It shouldn't prohibit basic rights (which, IMHO, include the right to travel). It should just be something to force a closer examination of their luggage, etc.

 

Yes, that's what we're all about. Blocking laws that would stop our enemy from buying weapons.

 

Please explain the due process involved in the terrorist watch list? What protections do you or I have from being arbitrarily put on that list, because our neighbor works for Homeland Security and is pissed off because our dog pooped on his lawn? The Terrorist watch list is fundamentally illegal in terms of denying people the basic rights to travel. (also, please explain the procedure to get your name taken off the Terrorist watch list if you shouldn't be on that list?)

 

Please explain how the Terrorist watch list is created and how a person can get off of that list? The answer is there is no set way. It's constitutionally wrong, and denies people 5th, 6th and 14th Amendment rights.

 

Considering it took Ted Kennedy three weeks to get off the list with all his power and connections....

Good luck if your average citizen is on it mistakenly....

 

And it's not credible since mistakes are made with some of the people added to the list? so nobody should be on it? More terrific Republican logic.

 

You can travel anywhere you want in this country, but some are not allowed to board planes. Simple as that. Your "rights" are not being taken away.

 

The no Fly List? What a stupid bar to set. Not only is this the dumbest way to go about this it could potentially be abused in 100s of different ways. Don't agree with me? Your on the terrorist watch list. Now your rights are taken away for something you have not even done. God dang democrats don't think (*)(*)(*)(*) through.

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No way to verify. No system in place to correct mistakes. Yes it is not credible. Neither is your claims that anything that doesnt conform to your narrow view of the word is "Republican".

This forum is a good chance to view other view points.. You might actually learn something.... Try it.

 

This bill, as written, gives the government carte blanche power to deny any US citizen his 2A right without due process. It was introduced in 2011 and has seen no activity since 2013, because it is unconstitutional, as written. Already, and without this law, it is unlawful to transfer a firearm to a non-citizen, illegal alien, or terrorist. This law only affects US citizens, and gives the government 'discretion' to deny transfer based on 'suspicions' of terrorist activity. It's bad, unconstitutional, legislation. It deserves to die, as it has since 2011.

 

All of the TSA machinations violate the 4th amendment.

The terrorists won with these jackbooted thugs controlling air transport.

You cannot travel with the single most important human need besides oxygen. Water is forbidden. What am insult to humanity.

 

It's not credible because there are no set procedures for putting somebody on the list, or taking them off the list. It's a gross violation of civil liberties.

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I have a less narrow view of what liberty means. If I can't fly, I lose my freedom to do as I will. Based on the U.S. view of civil liberties, I should be allowed to have due process if my freedom is being infringed upon. What do you not understand about the 5th amendment (backed up by the 14th amendment)?

 

Exactly. Again, my main problem is the complete lack of transparency about how the list is created, and just as importantly, how to get your name off the list if a mistake is made. I haven't heard an answer to how are Homeland Security agents at all held accountable for false accusations in terms of the list.

 

Seems just simply having a name close to a "Terrorist" or a name similar to a "Terrorist" can get you on the list. Its a bloody joke. Thats what got Ted Kennedy on the list.

 

That's actually brilliant because it will without question help with the fight against climate change.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...oTCO_Gtuf1nMkCFUdEJgodLw4Hlw&biw=1920&bih=955 Is this enough documentation for you?

 

How is this a "Current Event"? There has been NO ACTION on this bill since 2013.

 

The Federal Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act should have passed through Congress. So, if any terrorist attack were to happen in America involving a Syrian refugee(s), then Congress along with the NRA can be held responsible.