Nullify Federal Gun Laws

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Battle3, May 12, 2017.

  1. 6Gunner

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    ...And states have authorized sheriffs to arrest and prosecute Federal Agents that seek to enforce Federal laws contrary to State law within that state.
     
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    I would like to hear of one federal agent convicted while legally enforcing federal law.
     
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    If you outlaw the Thugs and Gangstas... naw I wouldn't insult you. But if you kept those people in jails and prisons (and executed the kingpins) it would more effective than gun control.
     
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    there is not one state that has nullified any Federal immigration laws.

    the role of enforcing Federal law falls upon the Federal govt. and their agents.

    its not the role nor authority of state or local authorities for enforce, for example, Federal tax and environmental laws.

    Supreme Court ruled that the Federal govt. cannot order state or local authorities to enforce Federal law.

    Just as Federal officers cannot be expected to enforce all local and State laws.
     
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    Criminal acts of Violence by Gangstas and Thugs and Turf wars etc Kill many many Monority children.
    It is a fact of Life, Gun Control on Normal Law Abiding White People will never stop those Crimes of Violence.
     
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    Yeah it will
     
  7. DoctorWho

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    No, it will not, it never has, it never will.
    I know a man, built like a small Bull Elephant, and always talking about doing violent stuff and unsavory acts of various types, he is very Anti Gun and very much a Gun Control advocate, yet he brags about his ability to punch peoples lights out and brake a neck.

    And he is a Liberal Democrat.

    He won't use a Gun, nice Guy huh ??
     
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    I know a kid. Little guy about 8. Reminded me of my son. I still can't get his face out of my head.

    He died at Newton.
     
  9. DoctorWho

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    So ?
    I lost many dear childhood friends 8-10 years old, due to cancer, and other horrible tragic illnesses.
    I still morn their deaths 40 plus years later.
     
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    I assure you I would outlaw cancer if I could
     
  11. DoctorWho

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    I agree.
     
  12. Texan

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    I knew a 14 year old girl who was killed at the Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. Her only crime was peaking over a pew to see if the shooting was over. In spite of concealed carry being banned in churches, this moron walked across the street from his home and killed 7 people for no reason before killing himself. He was shooting fish in a barrel because he knew they were unarmed. The concealed carry law was amended to allow concealed carry in churches after that shooting. No mass shootings in a church since. I can't guarantee it, but I've never heard of an accidental discharge in a church in Texas since CC has been allowed.
     
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    This why I vehemently agree with the left in their claimed (but unsupported) notion that 'guns are for pu55ies.' Folks like this guy think violence is some kind of honor sport where differences are settled by who can beat up who. 'Might makes right.' The problem (for these barbarians) presented by guns is suddenly their martial prowess and quickness to anger at an offense (fueled by deep insecurity) is moot. Other men, women, nerds and little old ladies are suddenly a mortal threat, and now these neanderthals are faced with the prospect that if they cant settle their disputes with words, they might lose a fight (and their life) to someone less physically capable than they are. And thats quite scary for the unintellectual, emotionally undeveloped meathead that knows nothing but throwing punches.
     
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    I once asked a man blocking parking entrance to please move his car, and he blustered about beating my white head (haid) in, I calmly informed him that as a retired LEO, I would squash him like a caca-roach,
    (cockroach) he then backed off whining he would call 9-1-1, and I encouraged him to do so, and to also tell them he (Felon) had threatened a retired LEO, he got into his car and got lost.
     
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    VG: "He died at Newton."

    Yeah Too bad there wasn't an armed school employee there to engage the killer in those early moments of the assault.
     
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    You need to educate yourself about the phrase "shall not be infringed."
     
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    True, but the "progressives" have always maintained that the federal laws take precedence over state laws and that nullification was not legal. But that's when the progs were in control. Now that the progs are out of power and seeing their favorite programs being tossed out, they love nullification.

    And that's why now is the time to agree with them that nullification is valid - and then ram nullification down their throats.
     
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    Federal regulations and grants require the states that accept the grants to enforce federal immigration laws and co-operate with ICE. These sanctuary cities and states want to get the grants but refuse the conditions of the grants. They are breaking the law.

    And the law requires states to notify ICE, the states are refusing to notify ICE. Again breaking the law. How about the next time you file your taxes, refuse to notify the IRS of your income and see how that goes.
     
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    Maybe you should educate yourself. The supremacy clause only applies to the enumerated powers allowed the federal government. Most of the current "powers" of the federal govt are not Constitutional.

    And the bigger issue is the "progressives" were the ones who held the federal govt as the supreme power and claimed that nullification was void. But as soon as the progs were kicked out and lost the federal govt, suddenly they love nullification - they now sound like the Tea Party.
     
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    You are making my point
     
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    Where is this Newton place you keep referring to?
     
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    The reality is that in 1997 Sheriff Richard Mack went all the way to the United States Supreme Court arguing that he was not required to enforce federal gun laws because he was a local sheriff, elected by the people. A Wikipedia article has this regarding that case:

    "The Court quoted Federalist No. 51’s argument that by giving voters control over dual sovereign governments “a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same that each will be controlled by itself.”[11] The Court concluded that allowing the Federal government to draft the police officers of the 50 states into its service would increase its powers far beyond what the Constitution intends."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printz_v._United_States

    Richard Mack blew a cork after finding out that sanctuary cities are able to use that decision NOT to enforce federal mandates. Suddenly, the right wants to adopt a leftist pov on this issue. I don't get it.

    Now, insofar as taxes go, BEFORE the anti-immigrant lobby got into the fray, you could rescind your SSN and avoid the income tax. My father did it for over twenty years and when he died, his estate was given to the people in his will. There were options available. But, as you know, prior to the National ID / REAL ID Act there were no laws requiring one to even have an SSN. But, the anti-immigrant lobby wanted the National ID / REAL ID Act in order to enforce E-Verify. In order for National ID to be effective, you had to have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number" and that gave new life to the income tax... and the patriots who were winning the war against the income tax (with ideas like the Fair Tax and opting out of the system) faded into oblivion.
     
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    Spelling mistake. Newtown
     
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    the place where adults and children were massacred because the only one able to have a firearm in the place was a murderer?
     
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    I don't support states refusing to enforce federal laws. I think we've seen that in Colorado which has basically become a sanctuary state for marijuana users. They don't have to worry about being arrested for violating the federal Controlled Substances Act. Federal gun, drug, and immigration laws should be enforced in every state.
     
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