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That's true even after birth...it's still not "her body".

 

after birth anyone can help.

 

Sure, but that doesn't change the underlying fact that it still won't survive on it's own...which has been thrown around by the Pro Abortion side as to why it's "her body".

Yourself included.

Even after birth the baby will not survive on it's own. Does that mean it is holding people hostage to it's will, or however that nonsense was worded from another poster?

Cant enslave another....force the heart transplant..derppity derp.

 

Thanks obama.

 

you certainly do take things out of context. as for the fetus not surviving outside, that includes too soon even for a preemie on a machine to survive which is basically where the federal ruling sits right now.

just about everyone cant survive without civilization so your notion of not surviving alone after birth applies until death for almost everyone.

 

You're drifting away from the point of it. It was claimed by another poster that it is part of the Womans body, and as such..like a kidney or finger..she claims it is hers to do with as she will. You also agreed that it is part of her body. Survival, or it's inability to do so on it's own was used to bolster that false claim.

It isn't, and this false presentation is part of whats abusing the system. Far too many abortions have occurred, and it needs to be regulated more.

 

it is part of her body, period, it cannot survive without, period. your analogy is off base and you are using a religious premise for life.

 

I'm not religious, and It's not part of her body at all.

It resides within while developing but that does not make it part of her body. When you claim it is "her body" this opens up all kinds of issues. one of course would be to have people think they can treat it like any other part of the body and have sole say in what is done with it.

Obviously that isn't working out to the tune of 60 Million snuffed out and counting.

And we've been through this already. Rehashing the debate we had already and just stating "period" doesn't make it any more true than when I debunked it the first time.

If it's her body, and her sole decision...then the Man should never be on the hook right? Afterall,Men are not enslaved to the whims of Women.

 

no, the fetus is not independent in any way, and it is absolutely directly part of her body.

 

When does the Human Female grow this part of the body? At what age does it come in?

 

are you seriously asking about the birds and the bees.

 

No, I'm asking a quite obvious question. If you believe the Fetus is a part of the Womans body, when exactly does that grow in?

After all, our species whether Male or Female come fully formed and there are no parts that require the participation of the other gender.


All clues point to this not being a part of the body, but something residing inside a body. I make this distinction because some Women want to present it as someone else trying to limit their ownership of "their body", and it's a falsehood. No one cares what a Woman does with "her body", but a good number in society do care about the other humans body residing within and feel we have gone way off course in how easy and available abortion is.

 

I have taken biology!!!

 

As have I. Ok, I get it, it's "her body", wink wink nudge nudge. , and please just leave it at that without any question so that Women alone can be the arbiter of who lives and who dies. It's like coloring hair, or putting a hoop in your nose...it's just her body, and no one elses concern.

If she doesn't want the baby or the responsibility, too bad for the Father and that baby. If she does want the baby, the Father better be "responsible" right?

 

Do you honestly believe that a fetus, from the moment of conception is fully formed and looks like the Gerber baby?

Because that's what you are saying. The woman simply ""houses" the fetus , completely unattached to her, for nine months for no reason.

No, it is attached and needs her body to grow. It feeds off of her body. It is part of her body. HERS, no one else's, not the government's, not yours, no one else's.


You: ""Women want to present it as someone else trying to limit their ownership of "their body", ""

In all the abortion discussions I've had, in everything I've read about the abortion issue, I have NEVER heard a woman say a fetus was trying to limit ownership of her body.

I HAVE seen and heard other people trying to limit women's ownership of her body as if becoming pregnant means you lose the right to your own body.



You: ""feel we have gone way off course in how easy and available abortion is""

Well, it IS a legal medical procedure so should be easy and available....why shouldn't it be??

Did you want women to earn it somehow? Take a test of some kind to make it harder to get ? Jump through hoops for YOU?



Why do you want to control other people's health and medical choices?

 

There is no ""wink wink nudge nudge"...it's her body. Who else owns it? You?


Yup, if there is a baby then , yes, the father is responsible....so is the mother...

 

Attached, not part of. It's Hers and the Fathers, as it cannot be formed without them both. Sorry, Women do not get to rule society and decide who lives and dies all on their own.

You made that argument yourself...

As you may be unaware, there is another persons body which you do not own, which is the concern here.

Sure, it's a Medical procedure..just like having teeth straightened or lasik. No one else should be concerned at all . Except for the fact another life is at stake with regards to this "medical procedure".

Again trying to frame this as if it impacts no one else... "other peoples health and Medical choices" . Same dishonest routine you've been using. I want there to be more checks and balances. Hard limits on the timeframe of when you can kill an unwanted baby.

I am concerned about "other peoples health"...namely that person you created who cannot defend itself.

Women do not own the future of the Human race and decide by themselves who can live and who can die. You can't make babies on your own, and you shouldn't have the only say on when they get tossed away.

And it's far to easy and available, and needs more regulations.

 

The baby owns it's body.

 

If it's attached, and it is, then it's part of the woman.

Women do not rule society but they do rule over their own bodies, just as you do.

I never said, ""fetus was trying to limit ownership of her body.""

Nope, a fetus is not a "person".

IF it was it still does not have the right to use another person's body to sustain it's life. NO one has that right.

Just as we all have the right to decide what to do with our bodies, have our teeth straightened, etc., women have the right to decide what to do with their bodies.

They do not lose that right when they become pregnant.

Abortion doesn't impact anyone else....and it's impact , real or imagined, is soley the responsibility of the woman it's in. SHE is the one most impacted.

There is a time frame, abortion is illegal after 23 weeks unless it involves the life/health of the woman and/or fetus.

You can be concerned all you want as long as you don't interfere in other's rights.

Are you concerned enough to adopt unwanted kids, pay for Welfare, SNAP, WIC and other things that support children?

They don't. but they do have the right to their own bodies, just as YOU do.

The old "say" argument that makes no sense.

IF the father's "say " is he wants the woman to have an abortion you're OK with that ?

No, the person with all the say is the one who is pregnant.

It should be easy and available, it's legal......what regulations do you want? Having you decide who lives and who dies?

 

There is no "baby" involved in abortion.

No, a fetus doesn't own it's body because it's not a person.

IF it "owns" it's body then it should be able to survive on it's own without the woman...it can't.

 

Nor can many elderly or handicapped people. maybe they should be disposable too. Heck your standard above also covers a baby born yesterday......

 

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There is no "baby" involved in abortion.

No, a fetus doesn't own it's body because it's not a person.

IF it "owns" it's body then it should be able to survive on it's own without the woman...it can't.

We're discussing fetuses not born persons.

NO elderly or handicapped person can use another person's body,( be physically attached or use parts), to sustain their life.


No the elderly and handicapped are BORN person's....there is a difference between BORN and UNBORN.....that's why there's two different words...

 

Men don't carry babies, so it's obviously different. A tapeworm wouldn't be considered part of the Woman...it's a tapeworm.

Your rant about forcing heart replacements and no one having a right to anothers body for survival is the same thing. Don't try to play word games.

Thanks for reinforcing my response right on the next line. You just made that argument again.

Of course not, but they shouldn't get to roll that other human they created in with the straightened teeth or tummy tuck, because now it involves more than one Human.

I pay for all this stuff now, and don't complain about it. Please put more of my tax money towards this, and drop some of the causes it is wasted on.

A Males body never carries a second Human, so it's always going to be different in that regard.

Nope I wouldn't be ok with it, but at least both parents were involved. And neither should get "all" the say. This is you saying that a Mans life and livelihood are up to the Womans decision.

Some regulations would be if you are a routine aborter, the kind of irresponsible Human that you keep coming in for an abortion as birth control..you get your tubes tied after so many of them. The same thing I'd expect to happen to a Male who keeps running around impregnating Women with children he wont pay for. Sterilize him.

Another is the 23 weeks. that's far too along IMO.

 

Men are "on the hook " for the children they create....there are no children involved in abortion. Fathers are enslaved to the law...

 

Again, apply this to the baby born yesterday and see how dumb it sounds.

Full person hood, yet cannot sustain itself. You say it doesn't own it's body.

It's a convenient angle for you to toss out criteria in Bold, and then when reminded how that applies to living persons as well...you say we can't talk about those lol.