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Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by onalandline, Jan 7, 2012.

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Crime statistics agree with my "dogma". States with more gun control have higher crime rates. States that are less restrictive, see lower crime rates. I apparently have to remind you that the two most crime ridden cities in the U.S. were Chicago and D.C. when they had their gun bans in place. They both saw crime rates go down when the bans were overturned. You have to pull your nose out of your books once in a while, and see what is really happening.
     
    onalandline, Jan 14, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You meaning taking the facts, and twisting them to suit your needs.
     
    onalandline, Jan 14, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have to open your eyes. Research media outlets other than MSNBC, CNN and network TV.
     
    onalandline, Jan 14, 2012
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay.

    Which media outlets would contain the stories of the proposed legislation the president has put forth in regards to restricting the 2nd amendment rights of Americans? Or which media outlet would link me to his statements as president about seeking greater gun control?
     
    Think for myself, Jan 14, 2012
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  5. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    The pro-gunning dogma ensures a subjectivity characterised by ignoring empirical evidence. Its of course imperative that the available research is ignored. Its a slippery slope towards objectivity otherwise
     
    Reiver, Jan 14, 2012
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Some raw data agrees with your dogma, some raw data doesn't. Anyone bothered about the 'real world' will know that it doesn't matter. Spurious relationship is useless.

    Why do you rely on such obvious fibs? The available evidence shows that more restrictive gun control reduces death rates
     
    Reiver, Jan 14, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FOX News, GOA, NRA Media, CBS, USA Today, etc.

    Even the Huffington Post acknowledges Obama's anti-gun history, and his Administration's silence on the issue for political reasons.

    Hot Air talks about Obama's silence on gun control.

    Obama's gun control history.
     
    onalandline, Jan 16, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It does not add up. Your argument is baseless.
     
    onalandline, Jan 16, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An interview with John R. Lott, Jr., author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws.

    More Guns, Less Crime Again.

    John Stossel Links Gun Control to Higher Crime Rates:[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA[/ame]
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Its neatly demonstrated on this sub-forum. 'Pro-gun and pro-gun control' typically leads to a position based on evidence and a celebration of scholarly research. 'Gun-obsessed and anti-gun control' leads to a complete reliance on secondary sources of dubious value (being kind there!)
     
    Reiver, Jan 16, 2012
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    His stuff is easily dismissed. Stick with Kleck!
     
    Reiver, Jan 16, 2012
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    Do you really believe this nonsense?

    It's all a bunch of hysterical hype intended to boost membership. I'm sure you're too smart to fall for this propaganda. Right?
     
    Danct, Jan 16, 2012
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    Need facts?



     
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    Yawn,........ this tripe was posted here previously by another member. It was found to have falsehoods and distortions.

    It's all one big load of whoowie, but what's really amazing is how many gullible followers it generates. You yourself are a good example of this. I remember how so many gullible gun owners went out and bought guns and ammo after the last election after seeing a lot of the same nonsense you posted above. Of course NONE of the fearful prophecies came to fruition.

    Wake up. I suspect that this 'Chicken Little' routine the NRA is playing will eventually backfire when its members finally wise up.
     
    Danct, Jan 16, 2012
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    easily dismissed by the dishonest,perhaps.
     
    LoneStrSt8, Jan 16, 2012
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    The NRA is only a small segment of gun owners..It'sd silly to blame them for the ills of the gun control movement,
     
    LoneStrSt8, Jan 16, 2012
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    sigh,...... The NRA was the source of the topic in the OP AND to your own plagiarized post about "facts".

    Entirely relevant and "silly" for you to try to distract from this.
     
    Danct, Jan 16, 2012
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    possibly, but you have yet to provide any. So, you've lost the debate by default.
     
    rahl, Jan 16, 2012
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    can you provide a direct quote from obama saying he would "find ways around them"

    because to date, obama has done NOTHING but expand the RTKABA.
     
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    which evidence? show us. provide the evidnece you say shows this.
     
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    I think he meant Google (in general). You know... it's the "the information is out there" post.
     
    V8rider, Jan 16, 2012
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    V8rider New Member

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    I would be very interested in seeing those falsehoods. Please provide them. Thanks
     
    V8rider, Jan 16, 2012
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    you haven't been here that long. this is what reiver does. he/she will claim the evidence says this, or the evidence says that, while being an arrogant ass about it. when challenged to present the evidence, reiver will refuse. after you badger him/her long enough, you will be placed on his/her ignore list. As I have apparently been placed.
     
    rahl, Jan 16, 2012
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    I resemble this remark
     
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    In the interest of sparing the more rational minded from the pseudo-intellectual babble of Reiver on his/her cherry picked "scholarly sources", I'll just post this link to the CDC's review of dozens of studies conducted on the effectiveness of firearms laws on violence. Not surprisingly, the words "inconclusive" and "insufficient" are frequent.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm
     
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