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That may be true, But all forms of birth control can fail even if used properly. The pill has about a 9% failure rate. Condoms break.

 

I don't know as much about the racist claims, but corrupt? Sexist? Lunatic? Obviously.

 

Why does life get an exception in those instances? “The child did nothing wrong”...

 

Life doesn't make any exceptions, I try to be more accepting of people in trouble through no fault of their own. Abortion as a birth control option doesn't qualify there.

 

Is condom failure or birth control failure a fault of the woman?

 

Usually.

 

So a woman is responsible for a condom that tears?
Ok...

Once again, men share no responsibility

 

You don't understand, it isn't about responsibility, it's about who will end up with that responsibility. It does no good at 2 AM to be pissing and moaning about how unfair it all is, it is what it is. It isn't right but that is how it often ends up. That is why the girl has to take responsibility for herself and make good choices. Whining about shared responsibility is worthless. Be careful, choose your partner well and if she is going to be sexually active use birth control. 90 percent of abortions are not due to rape or incest but careless sex.

 

It absolutely is about responsibility, you are in effect wanting to limit medical procedures (some are wanting to eliminate morning after pills and others go as far as limiting all birth control) as a punishment for what you deem isn’t “good choices”.

They have options that you are wanting to take away.

 

Don't paint with such a broad brush. I'm ok with the morning after and solidly behind birth control. What I'm against is abortion being one of those birth control options. And if you are telling girls that the boy will or can be forced to step up you are doing them a disservice.

 

Why should abortion not be an option though?

 

The use of offensive words doesn't hurt the targets of those words. It hurts the one who utters them.

 

Because it costs someone their life.

 

Isn’t what the OP is about are the same things that democrats said about Biden when running against him?

 

So how many abortions per year would you think were caused by such an event?

 

They why don't the women have complete autonomy in putting the baby up for adoption? Why does the man have any say whatsoever?

 

Because when he is involved that is his choice. Some men want their children in their lives.

 

And when they are not present for the birth and homecoming do they still have rights?

 

It's complicated, I think the child's interests should be primary and the family should probably use a moderator such as a pastor or a professional of some kind. It would also very much depend on why he wasn't involved earlier.

 

A zygote is no more alive than a bundle of cancer cells.

So you are fine with making someone into a slave, costing her health, finances and potentially life in order to save “someone” else?

 

Therein lies a huge problem. Mother puts baby up for adoption and then the biological shows up two years later claiming the child and freaking courts give the child over. Subsequently, children born in the US that the mother can't raise also won't be adopted and spend their entire youths in orphanages or foster homes.

Unless you go the distance you can't tell the mother what to do. Just saying she has to give birth just doesn't cut it. You are promoting a great deal of misery on children.

 

It's two issues, abortion and child care and abortion isn't the cure for the other. Nobody is forcing a woman to give birth but society has the right to demand living norms of acceptable behavior and set limits.

Roe v Wade is here to stay and that means we are arguing about regulation rather than elimination of abortion. It has become one of those acceptable social norms within limits. Most of the legal wrangling is about maintaining the status quo, neither side losing an inch from that point.

 

That is one opinion. However I don't share it.

 

And that is your right to disagree, that however doesn’t give you the right to force women to give birth while offering no aid to the child you have demanded be born.