Obama done it again!

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  1. Subdermal

    Subdermal Banned

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    Um..wat?

    It's the leftists that have brought contraception and abortion as wedge/deflecting issues.
     
  2. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you conservatives think that you're entitled to fabricate your own facts?

    Your article was talking about Gulf production only, not overall US production.

    From your article's source:

    US Production of Oil increasing:

    U.S. Liquid Fuels Supply and Imports. Domestic crude oil production increased by an estimated 110 thousand bbl/d to 5.59 million bbl/d in 2011. ... Forecast total crude oil production increases by 240 thousand bbl/d in 2012 and by a further 90 thousand bbl/d in 2013.

    For the first time since 1949, the United States was a net exporter of refined petroleum products in 2011, with gross product exports averaging 420 thousand bbl/d more than gross product imports (product exports averaged almost 2.5 million barrels per day less than gross product imports in 2005). EIA expects that the United States will continue to be a net product exporter, with net product exports averaging 350 thousand bbl/d in 2012 and 320 thousand bbl/d in 2013.


    US Production of Natural Gas increasing:

    U.S. Natural Gas Production and Imports. Total marketed production grew by an estimated 4.8 Bcf/d (7.8 percent) in 2011, the largest year‐over‐year volumetric increase in history. This strong growth was driven in large part by increases in shale gas production.

    ...

    Thanks to increases in fuel efficiency, oil use decreasing:

    U.S. Liquid Fuels Consumption. In 2011, total U.S. liquid fuels consumption fell by 340 thousand bbl/d (1.8 percent) from 2010 (U.S. Liquid Fuels Consumption Chart). Motor gasoline consumption accounted for much of that decline, shrinking by 250 thousand bbl/d (2.8 percent). In contrast, distillate fuel oil consumption rose by 60 thousand bbl/d (1.5 percent), brought about by recovery in industrial output and freight transport.

    Despite the prospects for continued economic recovery and projections of slight increases in petroleum product prices, the next two years are expected to see only small increases in total liquid fuels consumption, with growth of about 30 thousand bbl/d (0.1 percent) in 2012 and 90 thousand bbl/d (0.5 percent) in 2013. Motor gasoline consumption, constrained by slowing driving‐age population growth and the improving fuel economy of new vehicles, is forecast to fall slightly in both 2012 and 2013. Distillate fuel consumption, however, continues to rise by an annual average of 60 thousand bbl/d through 2013.


    http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/pdf/steo_text.pdf

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    And since so many of our conservative friends claim that it's all Obama's responsiblity, I'm sure they will join me in saying:

    Thanks Obama!
     
  3. Kaiser Sozie

    Kaiser Sozie New Member

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    Those that posted that production is up are absolutely correct and the oil produced still needs to be refined, these two things are true. BUT
    You have to realize production is up but demand is way up! You have China and India using more fuel than ever, we have failed to keep up with the production here due to world demand. Most of the oil that is being refined now are off of leases approved during the Bush administration, since then we have had three years of Obama restricting drilling in the gulf, parceling out miniscule leases elsewhere, blocking the Alaskan pipeline, blocking the recent pipeline from Canada and simply doing everything he can to eliminate the use of tradional fuel in this country. Meanwhile due to restrictive EPA rules being made more stringent under the present adminstration we are not building new refinerys therefore is we increase drilling, we are still moving it through an narrow point at the refinery. Couple this with an irresponsible foreign policy the outlook in the Middle East is dismal. That brings us all to the point of the real rise in oil, speculation.
    Speculators look at the long term and have to guess the availablity of fuel over the long term, and presently given the present policies of our goverment, the lack of new fuel sources, and the unrest overseas, coupled with ever increasing demand from China and others, it drives the price up. Therefore, about 99% of the problem rests squarely with Obama and his policies.
     
  4. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please explain how Obama is 99% responsible for the every increasing demand from China and India and how his foreign policy has been irresponsible and why that impacts oil prices.


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    since so many of our conservative friends claim that it's 99% Obama's responsiblity, I'm sure they will join me in saying:

    Thanks Obama![/QUOTE]
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    We cannot and likely will not manage to supply enough oil for the entire WORLD.

    As far as what WE (Americans) pay for fuel... the drilling here will make little difference as long as we continue to export what we produce, rather than use it ourselves.

    We need alternative energy research and production now; or we are screwed.
     
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    Wrong: http://naturalresources.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=229180
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So it's improper and impertinent to stray off the exact,to the word
    Topic.Like how dare anyone to tangent so.
    This is just another convenient excuse Liberals use to discount
    the Topic.What difference does it make,Gulf Production or
    U.S. Production.It's like saying talking Hurricanes means only
    the Hurricane in the header OP.That is actually dopey.
    You debate Hurricanes you have to have reference points.
    You know this.That is why you dig back and drum up numbers
    to correlate a point of reference when discussing The Debt and
    Unemployment and Job Growth etc.
    Quit with the cop outs.
     
  9. Trinnity

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    Mr. Obama can't help being a hypocrite...between his specious situational ethics, manipulations and outright lies.......

    To say he's just another lying politician is an understatement.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans can't help being hypocrites...between their specious situational ethics, manipulations and outright lies.......

    To say they are just lying politicians is an understatement

    Baseless opinionated spam and trolling is fun and easy.

    And the preferred and approved way to post here at PF.
     
  11. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well then just for fun,give us a Quote or statement that Obama has
    made that was 100% the God's Honest truth.
    Go ahead knock yerself out.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For what reason should I respond to your request?
     
  13. Subdermal

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    The entire page refutes what you claimed!
     
  14. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fail.

    Feel free to point to one fact I quoted from the U.S. Energy Information Administration that is disproved by your blatantly biased Republican article.
     
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    Um...that graph isn't from US Energy. It was prepared by two private people. And it is not telling the story. Fuel prices are high because Obama wants them high.

    If you want solutions to the high cost, here they are:

    1) Stop EPA mandating of boutique fuels. This alone causes massive bottlenecking of supply as mixes are converted seasonally and regionally.

    2) Stop restricting oil leasing on publicly held land, as Obama clearly has.

    3) Eliminate ethanol subsidies; lower gas taxes.

    4) Allow the Keystone XL pipeline.

    5) Allow ANWR drilling.

    This won't turn around pricing immediately, but it will absolutely succeed in so doing in the mid term.

    But these things run absolutely counter to Obama's agenda.
     
  16. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fail.

    Feel free to point to one fact I quoted from the U.S. Energy Information Administration that is disproved by your blatantly biased Republican article.
     
  17. Subdermal

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    He posted one; I posted one. You are simply choosing to ignore refutation.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All you've done is posted a blantly biased Republican article that in no way refutes any of the facts I posted from the EIA.

    I've asked three times for you to post one fact I quoted that was disproved by your blatantly biased Republican article, and three times you have failed to post even one fact I quoted and demonstrated how your blatantly biased Republican article disproved it.

    Case closed.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just simple fact that Obama isn't a compulsive LIAR.
    Prove us wrong.Yes,the consensus has been established.
    Obama LIES !
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Refutes,Disproved or Debunked.Therefore the need to actually have Sites
    like FactCheck.org Created for that very purpose.To establish
    Lies and Untruth as if Fact.The Devil Wears Pravda.
    No he don't.He wears the Democrat Party and wears it well.
     
  21. Snazzmeister

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    I don't have to, their data is correct. In fact, had you taken the time the check the sources, the "blatantly biased Republican article" from a bipartisan House committee cites EIA data.

    Obama's reluctance to sign permits has caused crude oil futures to rise and the administration is currently trying to appeal a decision by a federal court judge which is holding them in contempt for delaying permits:

    http://naturalresources.house.gov/UploadedFiles/EnscoInjunction-021711.pdf

    If you doubt that this has an effect on oil prices:

    "Looking forward, production from Federal lands is expected to play an increasingly important role in total U.S. oil and natural gas production over time. In 2006, roughly 35 percent of U.S. oil production and 30 percent of domestic natural gas production were from Federal lands. Over the next 10 years the share of production from Federal lands is projected to increase to 47 percent for oil and 37 percent for natural gas (Table 2).

    Continued exploration and development of offshore crude oil and natural gas resources are critical to attain the projected production increases from Federal lands. The vast majority (85 percent) of Federal crude oil production from 2008 to 2017 is projected to come from the offshore, with 80 percent from the Gulf of Mexico, 4 percent from Alaska, and 1 percent from the Pacific regions."

    http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/bmy/index.html

    I could continue to spell it out for you, but I think the first site I linked does a sufficient job. So, fire up some brain cells and take a minute to actually read and check sources. I'm sorry that you're unable to recognize that Bush actually did something right, hell it surprised me as well. That doesn't change the fact that Obama has been nothing but bad news for oil prices.
     
  22. JohnnyMo

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    I will say this again. Anyone who believes that oil producers desire to sell more for less needs to rethink their position.
     
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    Once again, please provide a link to support your contention....put up or shut up.
     
  24. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I comply with your request will you acknowledge that obama is not a compulsive liarn and stop asserting he is?
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pretty daunting task eh.
    Quite Ironic.That you enjoy scouring for Research to back up yer
    Liberal agenda,yet something so profoundly simplistic and finding
    an Obama Policy Statement or Camnpaign Statement that
    is the God's Honest Truth.
    Virtually everthing out of Obama's mouth has grains of
    flat out Lies.
     

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