Obama: "If you misrepresent what's in this plan, we will call you out"

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  1. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    If it makes you feel any better the White House is calling insurers and warning them to stay quiet about obamacare. CNN ran the story.
     
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    Thank you for that. It's comforting to know, and it's certainly time for our President to order them to shut up.

    What should make all of us feel better is that once Obamacare gets rolling, America's poor black people will finally have health care equal to, or better than middle-class whites. Although the price of my health plan will cost five times more than it does now, it is without hesitation that am willing to make this sacrifice for justice! And anyone who is not happy to make such a noble sacrifice is a racist.

    Thank you
     
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    Sorry but what words have I twisted, youve said Tgrs cant be real Americans because theyre disturbed/ sick?

    Or they can get help for their wrong gender assignment, and trying to paint Tgrs as likely national traitors who give away secrets is a curious notion.

    Of course they do, the military has thousands of people who vote for Democrats, who would vote for a single payer system in health and to raise taxes on the wealthy.

    Its not the freedom that made you great, because other nations with even a little less freedom than you have done just as well. Its the ordered free and efficent free market plus a continent of un tapped resource. Moreover socialism has been alive and well in America since long before you were born, and theres nothing in the constitution that excludes socialist principles from American life.

    The KKK are socialists too are they? Do they favour public involvement in the free market?
     
  4. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Yes they do. They believe in protectionism and government sponsored racism. The KKK is a left wing organization. Always has been.

    The military is the most conservative organization in the US. I will take 75% republican any day.

    Yes freedom made us great. We were the world power before we broke 5% of GDP spent by government.

    Wrong gender assignment? Who assigned them again?

    Transgenders have depression issues. It is abnormal to want to chop of your penis and take hormones to make you sound like a pubescent. If people went around chopping of their arms or sowing penises on their head you would think them off how is this any different?
     
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    creation New Member

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    Neither protectionism nor racism are tenets of socialism. Thats just conveniently ignoring history.

    Are you saying that the other 25% of the military are not real Americans like you?

    Absolute nonsense. Your were the world power when your government spending went up. When it was low you were a thriving isolationist back water in world affairs with hardly even an army.

    Nature assigned them, just as it sometimes assigns people mutations or various other problems.
    Are these people real americans or not?

    Of course theyre depressed, theyre in the wrong body! And indeed thankfully its a rare condition, the point is, their desires have no impact on their real Americaness or not do they?
     
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    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

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    Here is the thing, I am keeping my insurance, we have a good plan and the costs are not going up as much as they did 7 years ago or so when the cost doubled, long before ACA was being discussed yet alone enacted. Several stories of people losing their insurance have proven half-true or in some cases just made up. Yes, certain people will lose their insurance because of two things. 1. Their current insurance is not health insurance but in fact crisis insurance. It pays for almost nothing. 2. Insurance company decides to get out of a market because they can't fleece the population that thinks they don't need health insurance.

    If someone has evidence of the CNN story being mentioned please post. Otherwise, it is just an accusation.

    As for real Americans, it is funny that someone wants to narrowly define that. In the history of the country, the idea that what is meant to be American would always be changing. While there are clear American values from the start, how they play out are part of who the country wants to be. The sky is falling crowd are loud and annoying but vapid and angry for losing a position of privilege that they feel the held for so long. The country is far more diverse in thought and understanding than conservatives want. To say anyone who voted for the President of the United States is non-American is quite a stupid statement.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense. Your unions can't survive without protectionism.

    No, they don't know what they are voting for. Remember, the left here lies about being socialist Lefters they are t honest about it like you.


    Crazy. We won world war 1 with a 2% tax rate.


    Did you call them mutants?


    Are they socialist?
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    This is embarrassing to watch you repeat the government line all the time. I had good insurance. It was canceled. Now I have to buy more expensive insurance that is not as good. Are you calling me a liar and defending Mr "you can keep your plan period"? Are all the other insurance companies lying when the announce and may cancellation notices?

    Anyone who voted for this president is stupid. Anyone who keep spinning his lies as fresh as they come out is party apparatchik.
     
  9. Karma Mechanic

    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

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    Well that is funny because you are calling me stupid and my insurance is not ticking up much and it is good insurance. Now when you said you had good insurance and met the minimum level under ACA why is the company not letting you renew.

    Maybe under the new law your insurance company can't take advantage of you anymore. I find it funny that people are blaming the law, while giving no details.
     
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    that works for me.
     
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    My husband and I are insured through his employer, Wells Fargo Bank. Since the time that the ACA law was passed, our premium shared doubled in cost and our deductible went from a $50 to a $3,000 deductible. This has has happened to many people that are employed.
     
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    yeah, we should throw all critics of any sitting president in jail, to strengthen our nation !!
     
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    Yes, Obama is the worst kind of liar -- a liar who trowels on a new layer of lies to cover up the lies he used to get his biggest LIE put into law in the first place. But, because he's half-Black, it will be impossible for any quivering RINO coward to actually DO anything about it without being called a "racist"! So here we sit, mired in a deepening cesspool of Socialism. What's that smell...? . :puke:
     
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    You mean besides the whole IRS on his political enemies thing?
     
  15. creation

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    LOL. Protectionist policy has been demanded by both worker and capitalist alike. Its a cross industry demand affecting both owners and producers of capital. Thereby it patently cannot be a union issue any more than a bosses issue.

    Eh? You have hundreds of thousands of dem voting military personnel, so of course they know what theyrre voting for. So many many people in the US military would favour uiversal health care and higher income taxes, I should know because ive worked with alot of US military personnel - so come on, are they real Americans or not?

    LOL. No you didnt, the allies won it. You guys came along later and tipped the scales, you werent producing anything like what you did later to crush your enemies in WW2.


    Yes its reasonable to postulate that theyre subject to mutations from the normal gene set or inherit some abnormal genes,or merely developmental process errors that mean they end up with mismatched genders in body and personality.

    Lets say no, theyre transgendered Atheists.....real Americans?
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Get over your obsession with trannies. It is weird and making me uncomfortable. If you want to chop off what you have go for it. I just think a shrink may help.

    The mutation line is grotesque and you should be ashamed of yourself.

    Socialist = not real American.

    What economy was able to afford the war build up? You act like government can build from a vacuum. Or builds anything for that matter. Military spending and welfare spending are two different things anyway.

    Cronyism does not equal capitalism. It is a type of socialism no matter how many times you say it isn't. You can tell it is t because it is the only type of economic activity the left doesnt get mad about. Solar panels that are a big waste? Sure! It is money taken by force, spend it foolishly.
     
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    They "LOOK" all different ways. How does a "real American" BEHAVE, is the pertinent question.
     
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    Sorry but you werent keen to include Trannies as real Americans, I wanted to know why..Youre rather exclusive in your real Americans club so its important that everyone knows the bar youre setting.

    Theres nothing essentially immoral or wrong with mutations, its a natural element of nature. That you would want to exclude such people is shameful.

    Socialist = not real American.

    No government takes in resources annd redirects others to productive tasks, like war production. Military spending and welfare both protect people.

    Cronyism is an essential element of capitalism and always has been from its foundations. It is indeed a type of socialism and thats why socialism is so vital a part of capitalism. We do get mad about cronyism, more so than the right. Thats why we like to tax the cronys at the top of industry so much. The right likes to leave them alone and let them crony away to their hearts content.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    There is nothing capitalist about cronyism nor does capitalism need or benefit from cronyism. Socialism is just for dependents who miss mama teet.
     
  20. creation

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    Poppycock, all oligopolys are cronyist by definition. Market players routinely collude in price fixing, those capitalist benefit greatly. You really think in capitalism people just look out only for themselves and dont ever gang up together?
    Socialism, is simply a ganging up in response to market power, to ensure there is provision of those goods the market cannot / will not provide.
     

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