Obama Says GOP Must Back U.S. First, Create Jobs

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  1. Iron River

    Iron River Well-Known Member

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    We gave this lying Bastard $800B to build roads and repair bridges and he gave it to government employee union members and then laughed in our faces about the joke he told us about the shovel ready jobs he promised he would fund with that money.

    He calls hiring more government regulators creating jobs. He calls funding green companies that go under owning us $550M in loans creating jobs.

    That one cost us $416,000 per job and we did get a way of power out of it. His calking scheme has created less than ten jobs in Seattle but the millions are still being spent to create permanent union jobs. You can't get the insulation money if you don't use union workers. He says that the program is to save energy and then we learn that it is designed to create union jobs.

    Cut, Cap & Balance is an economy stabilization bill that will allow the real job creators to hire more people. The government cannot create private sector jobs. CC&B will give confidence to small businesses to risk their own money in expansion without the government taxing them to death because they are successful in their venture.

    BYW, What was the great job creation bill that the dem or Barry has laid on the table for a vote????
     
  2. Hanzou

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    You are absolutely clueless.

    Its not because they are scared of Obama, it is because they are making more money by having less people on the payroll. Technology has allowed companies to have one person do the jobs that 2-3 people could do just a few years ago. It also doesn't help that most of America's workers are untrained for the modern global market. The country needs a massive retraining program that allows millions of Americans to get retrained in services and trades that will be vital in a 21st century economy.

    China and Europe have already began such programs years ago, and its paying off for them in huge ways.

    Yet Atlas shrugs right?
     
  3. Mac-7

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    Soviet-style central planning doesn't work.

    Look at the solar panel companies that Obama has wasted so many taxpayer dollars on.

    Since Obama has never had a private sector job himself he's far too stupid and inexperienced to be of any use creating jobs in the private sector.
     
  4. Tettsuo

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    The GOP have already stated what their goal is. It's not to help America while they're in their positions of power, it's to make sure Obama is a one term president. Evidence of this is how they've been conducting business in Congress. Cutting jobs then complaining about not enough jobs being generated. Hampering anything and everything that could be seen as a victory for Obama to the detriment of the American people.

    The sad part is Conservatives will refuse to see any truth about what's going on in Washington. They only see Obama as the enemy, not understanding that bringing Obama down only serves to further hobble America and the future of her citizens.
     
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    We gave Obama a trillion dollars for stimulus.

    Who knew that studying the drinking habits of Chinese prostitutes and teaching African men how to clean their penis would create so few jobs?
     
  6. SiliconMagician

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    They don't WANT to create private sector jobs, they want to create jobs that force people to work for them and depend on them for the very bread they eat. That is the whole point.

    THAT is the "government dependence". The people on welfare are NOTHING. CHUMP CHANGE BUDDY, the REAL THIEVES are the very people working in the Government office buildings in local state and federal jurisdictions all across the country.

    THOSE are the people who really rule you! Democrat Politicians know that the more people who rely on Uncle Sam for their job, the bigger the public sector gets, the more powerful they become. It's their only option.

    To create private sector jobs would mean an independent voter who may not vote their way if they weren't reliant on the Government for the very job they feed their kids with.

    Government "Jobs Bills" are designed to be giant vote buying schemes that make welfare look like the dust under the carpet that it really is.

    Bureaucracy for it's own sake, that is what Obama wants, because every bureaucrat he hires is another guaranteed Democrat vote.
     
  7. webrockk

    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The last (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing this country needs is another ****** government "program".

    What the (*)(*)(*)(*) have you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing leftists been doing in our current education system all this time?

    I suppose you would have those who've employed their identical rights to liberty and equality of opportunity to navigate life successfully be forced to fund your 'reeducation' camps?


    And folks wonder why businesses are hesitant to invest in this country....
     
  8. Hanzou

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    The private sector isn't going to hire someone because the government has reduced federal spending on Planned Parenthood or NPR. Also cutting government spending during a recession doesn't stabilize the economy. If you believe it does, please cite an example from history where massive government cuts during a recession or depression stabilized an economy and allowed an economic boom. If you can't, that means it never happened, and it doesn't work.

    American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, February 2009
    Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act, March 2010
    Small Business Jobs and Credit act, July 2010
    The Economic Development Administration Reauthorization bill, June 2011

    There's more, but since you guys can't tell the difference between a budget bill and a jobs bill, I don't know why I should bother.
     
  9. Badmutha

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    Dont kid yourself...Obama is nowhere close to being a centrist....that pile of Kenyan excrement is the biggest Leftist to stain the Whitehouse since FDR.

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    Speaking on behalf of all small businesses.......

    ......everything the Democrats pass......makes our lives and business that much more difficult.
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  10. Mac-7

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    You could be right but I'm not convinced that Obama and his socialist flunkies in the White House are smart enough to be that clever.

    The tried to create politically correct private sector "green" jobs and failed.

    I think the Obama libs really wanted to do it but having so little experience in the private sector they haven't got a clue about how it is done.

    But government jobs they understand because those are the only kind of jobs they have ever had.
     
  11. Hanzou

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    So you're willing to see the U.S. fall behind the developed world because you're afraid of people going to college and becoming more educated? Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that the U.S. workforce can compete on a global market if other governments are subsidizing the education of their population, while students in the U.S. are forced to pay out of their pockets?


    Businesses aren't hesitant to invest in this country. They just have no need to invest in this country. Again, technology has allowed them to move goods in new ways that doesn't require their immediate investment in manpower or infrastructure. Hell, some companies don't even have offices anymore. Some companies operate completely through the internet.
     
  12. Hanzou

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    http://www.usatoday.com/money/indus...11-07-21-solar-power-boom-lowers-prices_n.htm
    http://www.nnbw.com/ArticleRead.aspx?storyID=17947
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...dy-rival-coal-spurring-installation-boom.html

    Oh and let's not forget China;
    http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90778/90860/7220375.html

    You truly are clueless.
     
  13. Mac-7

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    The pro Obama lib public education system can barely graduate half the kids with a high school diploma and you're worried about college?

    Besides no one is keeping the lucky few who can read and write from going to college if they want to.
     
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    Typical lib logic.

    Most of the Obama green jobs are low level installers of solar panels made in China.

    And the only reason anyone is installing solar panels is because Obama is paying them a subsidy of thousands of dollars.
     
  15. webrockk

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    Who said anything about being "afraid" of people going to college and becoming educated, Mr. Strawman.

    Did you, or did you not state "America needs a massive retraining program"?

    this suggests something over and above our current education system leftists have had full control over for decades....

    Do you seriously think another expensive government 'retraining' program will be anymore successful than the crap coming out of current union/leftist 'academia'?




    Businesses know full well who will be tapped to pay for all these leftist "solutions"...would you take risk or stick around to simply be taxed out of existence?
     
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    I'll bet you're upset that America is falling behind in super fast choo-choo trains also.

    And it is so simple to fix.

    Just buy the trains from China or France and operate them here in America.

    Any mindless idiot who can borrow the money to buy the trains could do that.
     
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    Nonsensical hysteria won't alter the fact that private sector jobs aren't going to happen without demand. Demand is what moving the economy in a positive direction, not cut taxes for businesses that aren't hiring because they don't have sufficient demand to increase production. Do you understand that demand for production increases production of goods. Production increases often become jobs for people. We've already tried the trickle down approach, it doesn't work. How about we put people to work on American infrastructure to put money their pockets, which in turn goes right back into businesses thus forcing an increase in production?

    How can people who are not working re-educate themselves for today's marketplace when they don't have the cash to pay for an overly expensive school system?

    Get people working on America to start getting all of that stagnate money trapped at the top to flow around a bit and start the economy moving again. We can't afford to do nothing, but that's what the GOP is offering right now... either nothing or more of the same.
     
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    China is cheating, Europe is cheating, all of them are cheating. America is trying to play fair in the marketplace because it's constantly watchdogged by every little NGO, the UN, The WTO, IMF, The Fed, it has 6 billion shifty little eyeballs backed up by Julian Assange types and Anonymous and leftist hacker hordes and environmentalists all out bullying around Uncle Sam ensuring that we "play fair" in the marketplace.

    But China, Europe, India, all of them engage in rampant state funded enterprises that give them a cheap comparative advantage over the America as the only country that actually plays by the rules of free trade, and more than that, spends hard earned wealth, blood and sweat ensuring that the trade lanes stay open, that natural resources stay safe and available, and that worldwide evil (*)(*)(*)(*)s like Osama Bin Laden don't foment revolution and revolt against stable leaders who though they may be rough by Western Standards at least play for us and not some worldwide fantasy messianic Caliphate.

    America is getting (*)(*)(*)(*)ed over by every nation on Earth, that is why we are losing our comparative advantage and liberal minds let it happen in the hopes that the rest of the world will like us better.

    Yeah, they'll like us better when China is handing it to us in the ass by dominating the globe militarily and economically while their little European lapdogs (*)(*)(*)(*) on Uncle Sam's leg.

    The entire planet is engaged in a slow strangling of the USA economically because they can't do (*)(*)(*)(*) to us militarily and they all hate our guts because they can't dominate the globe as long as we can.
     
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    Give me a break. Clearly I was talking about people getting retrained so they can get 21st century jobs. My intention was clear throughout my post. Take the tinfoil hat off please.

    Yes, because its proven that people coming out of college are more likely to be hired by companies. Also there's millions of jobs out there, but the problem is that many in the American workforce aren't trained to do them, and can't afford to go back to school to get trained. When this occurs, businesses simply hires people overseas.

    Case in point;

    http://www.nwcn.com/news/business/Wanna-job--Check-out-aerospace--111495059.html
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...n-t-find-qualified-workers-among-jobless.html
    http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=206990

    Now who's using the strawman argument. At what point in American history has American businesses EVER been close to being taxed out of existence? Taxes are at their lowest point in American history, and the only thing the Obama administration has put forth is to raise taxes back to the Clinton-era levels. Again, another episode in American history where American companies were doing just fine.

    Please, step out of fantasy land so we can have a fruitful discussion.
     
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    "Clearly" you suggested a massive government "retraining" effort....

    Attempting to bull(*)(*)(*)(*) a bull(*)(*)(*)(*)ter is a losing proposition.



    Not all companies require college educated folks....both my businesses are trades related, and I have difficulty finding folks who are willing, or skilled to work in them.



    Please raise my taxes right now, lefties....I'm very close to shutting the doors and retiring as it is.
     
  21. Iron River

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    First we need to address the idea that every person given money to go to college gets an education.
    . Overall, the federal figures report 57 percent of white students finish their degree, compared with 44 percent of Hispanics and 39 percent of blacks. A 2004 Education Trust report found a quarter of schools have gaps between whites and blacks of 20 points or more.

    Part of the high cost of college is the affirmative action policies that take tuition from white kids and give scholarships to poor black kids that have no chance of getting through their first year of college. Then they defend their high costs by bragging that they give so many scholarships to poor kids.

    50% of black kids drop out of high school and then 60% fail in college. Those that we all know are going to fail are taking slots that could be filled by kids that want an education yet the liberal horde has destroyed the achievement based system that we once had to get into college. We bring people who we know will fail into college just to put their name on the list that they belong to.

    In one year we could start to cut the dropout rate of black boys but the fix is so odorous that the liberal horde will not listen. In study after study we see great improvement in black males when they are segregated from females and white boys. For whatever physiological reason they learn better in a segregated environment but god save the poor bastard that suggests such a plan. Screw the blacks who would benefit, it would make the liberals feel bad. We are damaging the country and the black community by shoving these kids through schools that can't teach them in the environment that the liberal horde has prescribed for them.

    Talk about a class gap; the achievement gap in the black community is spreading faster than any other. Smart black kids, girls more than boys, are leaving their cousins behind at a greater rate than ever.

    I guess you haven't talked to that many business owners.
     
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    I think I'm gonna start a thread ... When exactly did Obama start
    caring about Jobs.
    I say it wasn't until AFTER his ObamaCare in last summer's
    supposed { Summer of Recovery } that word got out Americans were
    really more concerned about Jobs.Not about the overhaul of Healthcare.
    Chuckie Schumer was 100% wrong when he said Obama's Historic
    Healthcare would be seen as a asset come fall for Democrats seeking Re-election.
    But Obama wasn't to be denied.He was enamored with the thought of
    an Historic First.Universal Healthcare.
    When most americans knew it was Jobs.
    So when exactly did Obama start turning on a dime and worrrying
    about Jobs.When the Historical fact hit home than No President in
    recent memory got Re-elected when Unemployment was Over 7.2%.
    I say that's the only reason Obama cares now.Because Unemployment
    is easy to understand.High Unemployment and Obama is a failure
    and won't get Re-elected.
    Don't forget that Obama's first official act in Office wasn't a Jobs
    program but an Executive Order Sealing all his Personals.
    He's basically out for himself.Like his Presidential habit of golfing every
    weekend.And The First Lady's habit of Trevelling lavishly with Friends
    on the tax payer dime.
     
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    How would a retraining program help? If companies really needed trained people, they would offer to pay for the training. This is just more BS to spend tax money.
     
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    It's the closest liberals can come to condemning the incompetent and failed public teachers.

    If students were well educated the first time they would not need retraining on the scale that libs are proposing.

    There is also the problem of so many Obama voters who have trouble reading and writing.

    They are not candidates for medical school but illegal aliens are taking up all the jobs that uneducated Americans used to do.
     
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    Bammer has gall. He has recently put mexico ahead of america in announcing he won't deport any of the 30 million illegals unless they kill someone or rob a bank.
     

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