Obama Taking Us Over the Fiscal Cliff As He Proposes MORE Spending

Raising taxes on those making over $200K per year reduces the average Obama deficit by 8%. And that is if it has zero impact on lowering GDP, which it assuredly will.

So how in the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that solve anything ? Take your idea of being "fair" with other folks money and shove it. You wouldn't know "fair" if it was shoved up your ass.

Further. Obama sure as (*)(*)(*)(*) did not win on any mandate. And OBTW, the American public chose to keep the GOP in full control of the House, by a wide margin, where every member was on the block.

Do you prefer the color "green".

Well then, you are GREEN !

 

Yeah, blame Bush for spending that Obama voted on in the Senate. Great plan. Way to demonize Bush!

 

Oh maybe waste like money to "energy" companies that can't seem to keep themselves out of bankruptcy even after a bailout.

 

They blame Bush for the economic meltdown when fact is it was the obstructionist democrats in Congress that prevented him from doing anything to prevent it. Now democrats are the cause of gridlock again.

 

They blame Bush for the economic meltdown when fact is it was the obstructionist democrats in Congress that prevented him from doing anything to prevent it. Now democrats are the cause of gridlock again.

 

I relish the prospect of fiscal stress. The skidding economy, non reversible, will fuel social and racial
unrest. America is fracturing and it's time for Whites to prepare for total race war within 10 years.
Fight or die.

 

The GOP trash had full control with both houses and the presidency, hammering out right wing bill after right wing bill to spend like a lunatics bankrolling the snot out of their cronies. Thank god the democrats whooped their asses in 06' taking back both houses or else the fiscal nightmare would have been substantially worse.

 

Deal with reality, not "hypotheticals", and you'll be much better grounded in logic. You really don't see it, do you? The debt IS a very important, inextricable part OF the state of the economy! We cannot spend our way to prosperity!

Look, ignore me (all the socialists do), and pay attention to the most logical, articulate, and fact-based liberal in this forum: Iriemon! Even he will tell you, straight up, that the Federal Reserve System literally pulls all these non-existent trillions of dollars out of thin air! Don't you see it? It's a shell game! Obama runs this Welfare circus to keep the cattle happy, while Ben "Bailout" Bernanke saves the banking cartels. I'm continually amazed that all these "intellectual" hyperliberal socialists, who supposedly hate "the rich" so much, aren't screaming their heads off about this! And reject all else, but believe these two things: you will never fix anything until you fix the U. S. Tax Code (which Obama totally ignored during four long years), and, we will not go "off the fiscal cliff"! Why? Because RINO Republicans will cave at the last moment and agree to "kick the can" for another year. Be happy! You've won! Now I hope you enjoy it, but I doubt that you will when you realize what has really happened....

 

Exactly my point.

Obama inherited a budget that was already in record territory and the worst recession in 80 years. Why are you blaming him for what he inherited?



Say it bleatingly.

Once again, spending decreased twice in the past three years, something that hasn't happened in 6 decades. The deficit decreased by a record amount last year. And spending is now lower proportionately than in was in some Reagan years.

Once again, if Obama were a Republican, he'd be hailed as a savior.

I don't know what you mean by "resigned the Bush tax cuts" but yes, he had to do that to get unemployment benefits extended for the people who desparately needed them.

 

Conservatives telling us a modest tax increase will hurt the economy.

1993 deja vu.



Rep. Robert Michel (R-IL), Los Angeles Times, 5/28/93: They will remember who let loose this deadly virus into our economic bloodstream.

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), GOP Press Conference, House TV Gallery, 8/5/93:
believe this will lead to a recession next year. This is the Democrat machine's recession, and each one of them will be held personally accountable.

Rep. John Kasich (R-OH), 8/5/93: Do you know what? This is your package. We will come back here next year and try to help you when this puts the economy in the gutter...

Rep. John Kasich (R-OH), CNN, 7/28/93: This plan will not work. If it was to work, then I'd have to become a Democrat...

Rep. Robert Dornan (R-CA), 8/5/93: The problem with our economy is that there is too little employment and too little growth. This plan will do nothing to improve that condition and will actually make it worse.

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), 5/27/93: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy.

Rep. Thomas Ewing (R-IL), 8/5/93: ...This bill is a disaster waiting to happen.

Rep. Jim Ramstad (R-MN), 3/17/93: ...will stifle economic growth, destroy jobs, reduce revenues, and increase the deficit.

Rep. Phil Crane (R-IL), 3/18/93: ...a recipe for economic and fiscal disaster.

On jobs:

Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX), CNN, 8/2/93: The impact on job creation is going to be devastating, and the American young people in particular will suffer a fairly substantial deferment of their lives because there simply won't be jobs for the next two to three years to go around to our young graduates across the country.

Rep. John Kasich (R-OH), 5/27/93: ...your economic program is a job killer.

Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX), 8/5/93: The economy will sputter along. Dreams will be put off and all this for the hollow promise of deficit reduction and magical theories of lower interest rates. Like so many of the President's past promises, deficit reduction will be another cruel hoax.

Rep. Wally Herger (R-CA), 8/4/93: The simple fact is that the Clinton plan will not lower interest rates. It will not lower inflation. It will not create jobs. And it will no lower the deficit. The Clinton tax plan will spur inflation, lose jobs, increase the deficit, and hurt our economic growth.

Rep. Deborah Pryce (R-OH), 5/27/93: The votes we will take today will not be soon forgotten by the American voter. [They] will lead to more taxes, higher inflation, and slower economic growth.

Rep. John Kasich (R-OH), GOP News Conference, Senate Gallery, 8/3/93: Come next year... we're going to find out whether we have higher deficits, we're going to find out whether we have a slower economy, we're going to find out what's going to happen to interest rates, and it's our bet that this is a job killer.

Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX), CNN, 8/2/93: Clearly this is a job killer in the short run. The revenues forecast for this budget will not materialize; the costs of this budget will be greater than what is forecast. The deficit will be worse, and it is not a good omen for the American economy.

Rep. Jim Bunning (R-KY), 8/5/93: It will not cut the deficit. It will not create jobs. And it will not cut spending.

Rep. Dick Armey, CNN, 2/18/93: I will tell you, this program will not give you deficit reduction. It will be a disaster for the performance of the economy.

Rep. Clifford Stearns (R-FL), 3/17/93: ...It will be the kind of impact that this country can't absorb. It will slow economic growth, contribute to the massive federal deficit....

Rep. Joel Hefley (R-CO), 8/4/93: ...It will raise your taxes, increase the deficit, and kill over one million jobs.


http://www.congressmatters.com/storyonly/2009/2/15/92441/0913/399/636

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Instead of these (same) predictions coming true, we had the longest period of sustained growth post GD, 22 million net jobs added, the lowest level of poverty ever, stock markets tripled, unemployment dropping to the lowest level in decades, and the best average GDP growth since the 1960s.

Could conservatives be wrong?

And so now, after telling us how the Bush tax cuts would make the economy so great and getting the worst economy since the GD, they are telling us the same bull(*)(*)(*)(*) once again about a tax increase.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

 

The republicans should walk away until the WH and democrats gets serious about tackling the problem instead of going on the road campaigning to raise taxes.

 

Many other racists and traitors have expressed there desire and wish for harm to America here.

 

I'm all for it. A big tax increase mostly on the rich will flood the Treasury with additional revnues, and massive cuts to bloated military spending will be the best thing we could do to get the deficits down.

The 99% will see that the Republicans raised their taxes because they are suck ups to the 1%, if it wasn't already obvious to them, and we will see the Republicans take a big hit 2014.

Talk a walk, Republicans!

 

Obama ran on raising taxes on the richest. Romney ran on slashing taxes for the richest. The choice could not have been more clear. The American people spoke their choice.

 

Financial illiteracy abounds. The taxes the WH wants to raise barely affects the yearly deficits they are incurring. Military spending per year is a small percentage of the yearly deficits.

 

Yeah, blame Obama for spending on the Great Recession he inherted from Bush. Great plan. Way to demonize Obama!



Say it bleatingly

 

More fantasy, Obama also ran on tackling the debt which will have to include spending control. Romney didn't run on slashing taxes for the richest. The choice was only clear for those with their heads stuck in the propaganda sand.

 

Yes. Most of the bills should never have existed. Not some. Most.

 

It's interesting that Obama sent the proposal he did. He knew that there was no way the Republicans would accept it so why wave such a large red flag in front of the bull? If I was the Republican Congress, I'd keep an eye out for the sword.

 

"With no guarantees."

How 'bout NO, Barry.

 

The Republicans ran on cutting spending and not raising taxes on anyone and they kept the GOP in control of the House and the government's purse strings.

The American people spoke their choice.

 

It was a politically ham-handed stunt if I ever saw one. It goes to show the lack of seriousness on Obama's part...

 

Know what you mean. Boehner has taken to the cameras to show his outrage and 'disappointment' over a budget proposal he's known about for weeks. The man is a gutless clown.

If you don't like the deal Obama is offering (or his previous offer of $10 in spending cuts for $1 in new revenues), walk away. If you do like his offer, walk away anyway.

 

Even your own beloved Laura Ingraham said this election should have been a 'gimme' for Republicans. It was a case of whitebread plutocrat vs. black, muslim, marxist, america-hater, and you still lost. By a substantial margin in both states and popular vote. What does that tell you about the Republican Party? It tells me your finished.

 

Wealthy people with a conscience exist everwhere, as do wealthy people who are just functioning on greed alone and couldn't care less if the rest of the world died of starvation, as long as they get their fix of luxury cars and caviar!

i do not believe that every wealthy liberal musicians or actors are all afraid to pay an extra 3 or 4% in taxes. . .but wealthy Republican musicians and actors probably do. . .not because it would hurt them too much to forgoe buying another $15,000 purse, or another $25,000 "red carpet" dress, but because it is "against the Republican mantra!"

Whether or not you find my statement "factually untrue" is a moot point to me. And I don't believe you have offered any factual information demonstrating that my statement is "factually untrue?"