Obama 'took the wrong side' on climate change, says physicist Freeman Dyson

Lunchboxxy · Dec 2, 2015

ChristopherABrown said: ↑

Yea, I know the tendency to dismiss things that mainstream science and media do not discuss. But this makes sense. Why would the Inuit make this up?

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2014/12/their-sky-has-changed-inuit-elders.html

It seems the Inuit elders are also witnessing strange and unfathomable weather up there in the North.
The elders talk about how their world has changed, how it was then and how it is now.
It is a worrying picture, a picture of melting glaciers and thinning or disappearing sea ice.
Seals with burns on their coats and covered with sores and a thinner hide, the Seal skin has deteriorated and while scientists maintain man made pollution is contributing to climate change the elders are convinced something much much bigger is going on!
Astonishingly what the elders are saying is global warming is not the whole story...

The elders maintain the Sun doesn't rise were it used too, they have longer day light to hunt and the Sun is higher than it used to be and warms up quicker than before.
The elders who were interviewed across the north all said the same thing, their sky has changed.
The stars the Sun and the Moon have all changed affecting the temperature, even affecting the way the wind blows, it is becoming increasingly hard to predict the weather, something that is a must on the Arctic.

Warmer in the north, colder in the south.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/climatechange/why-is-sea-ice-increasing-in-t/17970748
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Yeah and all of that is explained by Milankovitch Cycles. Which are changes in the axial tilt of the earth.

What part of this are you having issue with?

Hoosier8 · Dec 2, 2015

Lunchboxxy said: ↑

The experts disagree. As my link clealy states.

Well lets start with the fact that your link is from an organization bankrolled by the energy industry and is a propagator of climate misinformation.

Next, the reason China keeps building coal plants is the same reason they keep building apartments no one lives in. Their economy is based on investment and building. And even as your link points out, China is replacing their old coal plants with newer more efficient ones. China is also investing in technologies such as hydroelectricity. They have already made great progress in reducing their emissions, as they have pledged to do.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ire-greenhouse-gases-emitted-by-10255957.html
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...ms-2030-emissions-target-20150630-gi1zk7.html

Japan in in a similar situation. Since Fukishima, the amount of energy coming from coal as shot up to 1/3. They are working on replacing their old coal plants with more efficient ones that emit less to get that number back down. This is a short term solution as Japan invests in better technology.

Your link appears to be out of date

http://time.com/4059051/india-indc-climate-change-carbon-emissions/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/w...o-lower-rate-of-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html

McCarthy is not the only person in this country let alone on the planet.
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As I figured, you will dismiss anything that does not fit your bias. Now you know why it is a waste of time to 'prove' anything to you.

CourtJester · Dec 3, 2015

RP12 said: ↑

You act as if all you have to do is call someone a denier and walk away....
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Why would you say that. I am very specific in the reasons why his opinion has very little weight in a discussion of climate change.

RP12 · Dec 3, 2015

CourtJester said: ↑

Why would you say that. I am very specific in the reasons why his opinion has very little weight in a discussion of climate change.
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Sure you specifically call him a denier.

Zorro · May 9, 2018

dujac said: ↑

NY attorney general wields powerful weapon in Exxon climate case

A near century-old statute that gives New York state prosecutors unusually broad authority to prosecute securities fraud could prove a powerful weapon as Attorney General Eric Schneiderman probes...
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Yeah, quite a prober!

Manhattan DA Opens Investigation Into Eric Schneiderman After Multiple Women Accuse Him of Physical Abuse

Robert · May 9, 2018

Wake_Up said: ↑

Theoretical physicist and Democrat voter Freeman Dyson has expressed his disappointment with President Obamas stance on climate change.

It's very sad that in this country, political opinion parted [people's views on climate change], he said, in an interview with The Register. I'm 100 percent Democrat myself, and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on this issue, and the Republicans took the right side.

Now retired, Dyson was a professor of physics at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton between 1953 and 1994. Famed for his work in quantum electrodynamics and nuclear engineering, Dyson also worked on climate studies during his career.

Climate change, according to Freeman, is not a scientific mystery but a human mystery. How does it happen that a whole generation of scientific experts is blind to obvious facts?"

The physicist and mathematician argues that pollution caused by fossil fuels has been conflated with climate change. Coal is very unpleasant stuff, and there are problems with coal quite apart from climate, he said. Pollution is quite separate to the climate problem: one can be solved, and the other cannot, and the public doesn't understand that.

During his interview with The Register Dyson noted shortcomings in climate models. What has happened in the past 10 years is that the discrepancies between what's observed and what's predicted have become much stronger, he said. It's clear now the models are wrong, but it wasn't so clear 10 years ago. I can't say if they'll always be wrong, but the observations are improving and so the models are becoming more verifiable.

Dyson also wrote a strong foreword to a report published Monday by The Global Warming Policy Foundation, which calls for a reassessment of carbon dioxide. To any unprejudiced person reading this account, the facts should be obvious: that the non-climatic effects of carbon dioxide as a sustainer of wildlife and crop plants are enormously beneficial, that the possibly harmful climatic effects of carbon dioxide have been greatly exaggerated, and that the benefits clearly outweigh the possible damage, he wrote.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015...ys-physicist-freeman-dyson.html?intcmp=hplnws

Wow, this guy wasn't satisfied in just labeling this hoax for what it was, he also says the benefits of carbon dioxide outweigh the damage.
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Bump this up

This belongs in the improved Curry Corner so I will copy and paste there.

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