Obamagate is coming, "Will be worse than Watergate"

Not much considering that Comey never should have made a statement like that and making ANY statement about the closing of an investigation is a breech of FBI protocol

 

I agree; Comey mishandled the public part of the investigation, harming Clinton late in the campaign. No argument about that from me.

But we are also learning, as I noted, that a lot of behind the scenes machinations occurred, possibly in an attempt to ensure Hillary's exoneration.

Should this be looked into? If the Department of Justice – which should be independent of politics AND the White House – took devious actions to ensure exoneration, should that be investigated?

And thanks for responding, I usually appreciate your input on my posts, even if I mostly disagree...

 

DOJ tells Nunes it'd be 'reckless' to release memo without review

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...nunes-itd-be-reckless-to-release-memo-without

The Justice Department (DOJ) on Wednesday warned lawmakers not to publicly release a memo purporting to detail surveillance abuses by the U.S. government for fear it will harm national security and ongoing investigations.

Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd, in a letter to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), said the Republican push to release a memo that they say reveals political bias at the FBI and DOJ would be "extraordinarily reckless" without a review by those agencies.

 

From the article you linked:

"The DOJ official goes on to say that while the Justice Department is unaware of the purported Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) abuses detailed in the memo, officials hope lawmakers will provide more information so that investigations into the claims can take place."

So in reality, Boyd has no clue what might be in the memo.

But I agree with you here, Lee. There's no rush, let DOJ make their reviews in order to ensure national security and ongoing investigations. Especially if those ongoing investigations are into the corruption that occurred during the Obama administration...

 

Recording of communications of incidental US citizens are to be destroyed within a few days by the FISA laws.
Transcripts of part of Flynn's recorded conversation in the NY Times is a pretty good sign of leakage.

 

Meanwhile, still no Nunes memo released. Nunes has the most important memo ever, but he won't show it to the senate, FBI, DOJ, fellow congressmen, or basically anyone. He's like a guy pointing a gun at his own head and making demands. And you're still falling for it.

Good, you're backing away from your big lie that I altered your quote. As long as you're taking some baby steps towards recovery, we're happy with your progress.

For you next exercise, look into yourself and try to understand why you're allowing yourself to be snookered by such really bad propaganda. You believe your insane nonsense because you very badly want to believe such nonsense. Why is it you want to believe it so badly? Work with me here, and we can help you.

So, I take it you don't understand how lame and crazy your conspiracy theory sounds. Why is it I always have to stage these interventions?

Yes, yes, you want excuses to declare that any facts inconvenient to TheParty are fake news. What, you thought it wasn't obvious?

What are TheParty's talking points for today? Don't stop now. Keep on parroting the party line and racking up those cult brownie points. By this time, you must be closing in on enough points to cash in for a MAGA drink cozy.

 

Really. Who told you that?

I don't recall seeing those transcripts. Got a link?

 

And Trump's DOJ has jumped all over Nunes for disseminating classified material THEY gave him and told him NOT to disseminate

 

Given that we have a gop Congress one president.... there should be no excuse for any delay.... but something tells me that nothing will happen, and there will be excuses

 

Agreed.

Republicans are cowards. They don't have the killer instinct like the Dems had with Nixon. We're just weak and pathetic.

 

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Jeff Sessions is a little slow off the mark. He needs a cattle prod on his butt.

 

So how does the Seth Rich murder tie in to all of this?

How do Clinton's emails tie in?

The sad thing is, I'm sure our conspiracy-minded friends can actually tell us. They're putting together a GUCT, a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory.

Pity for them that the FBI and DOJ won't allow the Trump admin to weaponize them as tools against their political enemies. For the moment, the open Stalinism of the Trump cult has been blocked.

 

Patience, grasshopper. It's still early.

My apologies; I've never dealt with anyone here who wasn't competent enough to simply quote someone. I realize it's tough, what with having to cut and paste and all, but I should have recognized there are all type of skill levels and intellects here.

Finally, we're into something you just might talk about.

So, are you discounting that Strozk changed Comey's final draft, or, are you agreeing he changed it but it's meaningless?

I know many – but not all – liberals/progressives/socialists come into some of these threads to simply shout at people they disagree with, much like the homeless, crazy dude we often see in Democratic-run cities.

Do you think, just this once, you might be able to actually comment on what's been reported in the news? I realize you're an echo chamber guy, but that's why I linked CNN.

Again, are you simply here to shout, or are you going to participate? You haven't said anything here that normal people haven't heard the crazy guy on the metro mutter...

 

The concept of trimming text is as old as the internet, and not difficult, so it's remarkable that you can't grasp it. It's grade school level stuff, but even after repeated explanations, you still don't get it. I've literally never met a human as inept as you are on this topic before.

Here's a helpful hint, to spare you future embarrassment. In order actually to pull off the condescending act, you have to actually be smart, and you can't run weeping from any facts that puncture your cult anti-reality bubble. That's why I can pull it off, and why you do a faceplant into a cow patty when you try.

Unknown, as your only source is a rumor.

You don't seem to grasp that if CNN or anyone reports from an unnamed source, it's _still_ just a rumor. And given CNN's pro-Trump and Clinton-hating history, one needs to be especially careful. Many of your "facts" tend to follow that pattern. You come here, report a rumor as a fact, and then declare the rumor must be gospel truth, and only a dirty liberal would deny it. Perhaps it's big-media-worship and plain old gullibility on your part, or perhaps it's deliberate dishonesty.

Even if the change is true, it's truthful, which makes it a _good_ thing. Truth matters, reality matters. That's a liberal thing, so you'll be ethically incapable of understanding it. It's why one of your favorite techniques is making crap up, like pretending the Steele dossier was the basis of any investigation.

So, are you paid to troll and push party propaganda, or do you do that purely out of socialist ideological fervor?

 

This was confirmed to be conspiracy nonsense. That's not debatable by any honest person.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...hat-lost-strzok-page-texts-officials-say.html

So, do you have any regrets at all over pushing such a big whopper? I mean, aside from regrets over getting busted.

The point? If you have no regrets over peddling a big lie like that, then you'll clearly have no regrets over peddling more lies, and therefore anything you say on every topic should initially be assumed to be a lie, unless independent evidence indicates otherwise.

If you'd like to plead ignorance now, that you were just a mindless party hack who was led astray by your party masters, this is the time. After all, everyone will believe it, and the only alternative I see is deliberate dishonesty on your part.

 

What it it with you leftists and your Russiabot wingnuttery?

I'll keep this short, as you seem a bit a bit deranged; my comparison to the unkept crazy dude in a big city was obviously apt.

But I will provide one last opportunity:

So, to be clear with your nonsensical thought process: when a New York Times journalist has information from a source that bolsters the narrative of the liberal/progressive/socialist echo chamber, that's excellent reporting. But when a journalist from CNN has information from a source that forces leftists to confront issues they would rather ignore, it's just a rumor?

You clowns are, if nothing else, utterly predictable. I'd ask you to reply, but I have a feeling you'll get a bit foamy around the mouth and spray spittle all over your keyboard and get lost in the fact you were asked to simply respond to a question.

Anyway, you obviously are not interested in any sort of discussion; much like when coming across the smelly, crazy dude on a big city street corner, I'll keep a bit of distance. But I won't place you on ignore, you're much too entertaining for that.

I'll scan your post to see if your intellect surpasses the wingnuttery we've all witnessed here, but as I expect nothing but more strident nonsense from you, I won't be responding.

But keep entertaining me, my cut and paste-challenged friend...

 

There are two tracks to take here for the House Repubs pushing this memo. One is the responsible track to make the country stronger. Hand the memo over to the DOJ so they can see what is alleged and if there is a legit problem they can address it. Track two is the political one which makes the country weaker. It sows division and causes people to lose confidence in our federal law enforcement agency's ability to do their job. Not surprisingly, in light of very serious potential violations committed by the Drumpf admin some House Repubs have chosen track two.

 

Actually, the DOJ spokesmen quoted came with Sessions from Alabama where he was his director of communication, and now does the same thing for him at DOJ; this might be Sessions showing some reluctance to immediately release the memo.

And that's a good thing; the attorney general should be independent of the president. This is my main complaint about Holder and Lynch during Obama's administration; there was no way they were ever going to be an independent voice as we've seen with prior AGs.

But with the actions of Strozk, Page, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Andrew McCabe, Justin Cooper, Mary Jacoby and some of the others, I think it would be very beneficial to shine a light on their activities before and after Trump took office.

Ignoring this would be like Ben Bradlee telling his reporters to go find something more interesting to write about (which seems to be the role today's mainstream media seems to be unfortunately playing) and later Sam Ervin deciding there was nothing to this hotel break-in.

While I agree the feds need to be circumspect about the whole issue – and agree with you that the memo should not be released until properly vetted – I think (and hope) you'd agree it is far too early to simply sweep the issue under the rug...

 

I just asked. I'll take that as your denial of being paid, so then option B it is. You push TheParty's conspiracy propaganda purely out of fanatical ideological devotion.

To be clear, that's you projecting your own life philosophy on to the ethical people again. It's what you do. It's all you do. Whenever we want to know what conservatives are currently guilty of in spades, we only need look at what they're currently accusing liberals of. Works every time.

You really need to understand that we're not like you. That misunderstanding is why you were so gobsmacked over the failure of your blatant attempts to weaponize the DOJ and FBI as a sort of new conservative STASI. Having no integrity, you just assumed that the members of those organizations had no integrity as well, and they'd simply roll over and let you do it. They didn't, and that's left you flailing.

Yes, it was predictable we'd call you out on your vile behavior, and your very predictable tears of rage here are a bitter yet sweet vintage indeed. To elicit more of those tasty tidbits, let's do what really spins you up, which is return to a topic that you want to run from. That topic is you getting busted for pushing a false conspiracy fable about the FBI deleting Strozk's texts as some kind of coverup.

You pushed a big ol' lie there. That's not debatable.

When that was pointed out, did you accept responsibility? No, you pretended it never happened, and moved on to the next conspiracy theory. You have no regrets over your willing role in pushing that lie and every other lie which TheParty tells you to repeat. It's like when young Henry Hill gets pinched in Goodfellas, refuses to rat out his bosses, and the older mobsters consider it a rite of passage for him. In your world, being busted for lying and showing no regret over it is good, since it demonstrates how devoted you are to TheParty.

However, the world disagrees with your mobster ethics. There is a penalty for lying and showing no regret over it, that penalty being the complete loss of your credibility. If you show no regret over lying, it means nothing you say on any topic can be trusted. Experience tells us that everything you now say should initially assumed to be a lie, unless independent evidence shows otherwise. Don't blame me for that. You crapped your own bed, now you get to sleep in it. You could have said "Oops, I repeated the big lie unknowingly because it's what was expected of me". You didn't, and now you get to live with the consequences.

That illustrates one of the many reasons why it's so good to be a liberal. We're not commanded to lie or evade by higher ups. Heck, there are no higher ups for us. And we're encouraged -- by simple decency, not by any authority figure -- to admit it when we make an error. So we do. That's why you never see us getting tangled up in a web of lies.

 

You must have been napping when it was headline news.

 

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Paula Jones took Clinton to Court and won. Although Bubba did commit perjury.


Paula Jones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones
The Paula Jones case precipitated Clinton's impeachment in the House of Representatives and the subsequent acquittal by the Senate on February 12, 1999. Specifically, Clinton was asked under oath about Monica Lewinsky in the Jones suit, denied having ever had sexual relations with her, and was accused of perjury ...

 

Scene: Downtown area of a Democratic Party-run city.

I'm walking to lunch with a friend, stepping over a homeless person soaked in urine, when my friend nudges me.

"It that the wing nut you told me about, that mamooth dude?" he asked, pointing to a man wearing a cape and goggles and yelling at passing cars.

"It is," I replied. "He really get worked up this time of day."

Mamooth was shouting at the driver of a taxi, saying, "I'm smarter than you, I'm smarter than you," as spittle flew from his mouth.

"Damn right wingers, controlled by the Russians," he shouted. "I know all you people are working for the Russians. And I'm smarter than everybody!"

My friend was perplexed.

"Does he do this all day,?" he asked.

"He does, but he's about to stop," I noted, pointing to a convertible with a news station blaring into the air.

Why?" asked my friend.

"Because he's about to hear the news of the day, and for some reason he hates listening to the news," I replied. "I tried talking to him once, asked him to elaborate on his thoughts, but he just keeps telling everyone he's smarter than them and never answers a question."

Sure enough, as the convertible stops at a red light, Mamooth stops shouting, a panicked look on his face.

"Stop it," he screamed at the driver of the convertible. "Stop with all the facts!"

I began laughing, and said,"Watch this, this is the best part."

Mamooth suddenly quieted, put his fingers in his ears and began chanting, "Rachel Maddow, Rachel Maddow," over and over, shutting out the world around him.

"He's quite a character," I told my friend. "Let's stick around and see what he does next."

My friend and I sat down on a bench, lunch bags on our laps, watching mamooth the wing nut and waiting for his next move...

 

Well, how about that? The missing texts turned up.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...exts-are-recovered-doj-inspector-general-says

I was just going to sit back and watch you continue to implode, but then I noticed that you came up with this missing text conspiracy thing, and I was just too curious to let it pass.

So, you're saying the FBI didn't claim they lost the text messages, and it was a right-wing conspiracy? The Russians again?

You are aware that this was reported by other news sites in addition to Fox?

At first, I thought you were just a typical Koz, DU echo chamber leftist, but I'm beginning to realize that you also don't follow the news of the day. You simply repeat what you hear on the far left extremist sites and fail to follow current events.

Anywhere, here you go, expand your world a bit:

"But the Justice Department also said that it cannot find texts that Strzok and Page sent between Dec. 14, 2016, and approximately May 17, 2017. It blamed a technical glitch."

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/24/5800...g-texts-get-caught-up-on-the-war-over-the-fbi

"The texts Grassley released Thursday were part of a set of 384 pages of messages the Justice Department turned over to Congress last week. Justice officials initially told Congress that about five months of messages between Strzok and Page were missing as a result of a widespread technical glitch involving FBI communications."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018...rick-fitzgerald-fbi-special-prosecutor-370489

You're welcome!

 

And they show nothing out of the ordinary, so your conspiracy theory craters even harder. You're flailing even harder.

You seem new at this internet thing. I'm guessing you've never left the conservative echo chamber before, given how unprepared for reality you were. You thought that if you just screamed enough insults and turned the smarmy weasel act up to "11", then you could deflect all attention away from all the ongoing failure of all your conspiracy theories. Sorry, nope, not how it works. It might be for the best if you just slink away in embarrassment for a while. After all, it's not going to get any better for you, as we watch your remaining conspiracy theories continue to collapse.

Oh, nice story/tantrum. It's clear I own your mind now. You're even more obsessed with me than your are with your mysterious Russians. When someone cries at me at hard as you do, I put another notch in my cultist-smacking stick. I'm gonna have to get a new stick, this one is about carved through.

 

So you see nothing untoward with the FBI answering a request for emails that their dog ate them?