obamas birth certificate here....

Oh God, is this vacuous drivel still going on?

 

Two. I have a long form I got in 1980 before my wedding, and I have a short form I got in 2008 for a new security clearance.

 

Gee, a birther has never needed to travel overseas, or get a security clearance, or do the other important, adult, things that require a copy of a birth certificate, and therefore never needed a copy of his birth certificate.

Color me surprised.

 

The question is simple. Does obama have a birth certificate that existed BEFORE 2007?

2007 does seem to be a magical year for obama. It was the same year that his publicist "corrected" his bio and took out his Kenyan birth. In spite of the fact that is had been revised at least three time before and they kept that fact in place.

 

Yes, and it has been printed and linked to in this thread. It's been verified - repeatedly - by the same authority under which it was created in 1961. Are you illiterate, or did you just swoop in without reading the thread?

It's the year he declared that he was running for President of the United States. Yeah, I'd say that would be pretty magical for any man.

 

Let's see it.

And not a moment sooner. Very convenient.

 

It's already in the thread, but I'll repeat it here.



Let me know if you have a problem with that one - I hope birthers can read calendar dates, but no level of inability would surprise me at this point.

Convenient? More like that's what happens when you form a committee to run for President - part of those people's jobs is to go around verifying the candidate's "image" and information that's out there.

But common sense and consistency escapes you birthers, I know. Like the fact that you consistently ignore that the only agency that can verify a person's birth - the official record keepers of that information - have verified his birth on numerous occasions. Somehow all of that is not evidence, but a 20-year-old blurb in a publisher's pamphlet that also says NKOTB is "relevant" and "hot" is evidence.

 

Yes, convenient. Obama allowed his bio to reflect his Kenyan birth, even through three revisions. Then, when his Kenyan birth became an issue, he had them change it. And not a moment sooner.
Why did he go so many years allowing people to believe that he was born in Kenya IF he wasn't?

 

They wont believe it, and then they will want transcripts

This is all about racism, did any of these bigots and racists ever ask themselves why all of a sudden, for the first time in American History, they want to see a birth certificate?

And yes Willard, we know nobody has ever asked to see yours, you are white...

 

There it is. As expected.
"Everyone stop talking about obama. It's "

 

you do understand the entire planet agrees with me? are you aware of that?

 

What planet are you living on this week? Because, it sure isn't earth.

 

game, set, match

you are not fooling anyone, we know who and what you guys are...trust me

true colors

 

Oh, a leftist British tabloid didn't like President Bush. That solves everything. (that was sarcasm)

Can you produce an obama birth certificate that existed before 2007 or not?

Or, are you just going to use your race card as a crutch?

 

I didn't miss it. That date doesn't answer your question. You asked:

That birth certificate was signed and filed in August, 1961, as clearly indicated by the dates in the relevant areas on it.

The fact that it was notarized in April 2011 by the registrar, in fact, precisely verifies that the document was created and "existed" in August 1961. That is exactly what the registrar verified in April 2011.

Wow, you have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue how to review a legal document, and determine simple things like when the document was created. Color me surprised.

Allowed? Do you have any proof Obama knew about this blurb? I'll answer for you: Of course you don't.

Why do you think a random blurb in a pamphlet is better evidence than the official record keepers of Hawaiian birth records?

 

It actually does. And that answer is a resounding "NO".

He claimed that he had a birth certificate in his book, "dreams of my father". Why hasn't that one showed up? Why did he have to send back to Hawaii for it (and then send back for another one) when he already had the one he was born with already in his possession?

 

He didn't of course. This was an obscure pamphlet that probably no more than a few thousand people ever saw- it was for the book trade- Obama's 'bio' was one of over 80 aspiring authors.

Meanwhile- in every major publication that mentioned his place of birth- from his birth on, his place of birth was noted as HAWAII

We know of course that his birth was announced in two Hawaiian newspapers in 1961. After that there is a lull until 1990- when young Barack Obama was interviewed by most of the major newspapers because he was the first African American selected to be the head of the Harvard Law Review

Let me put it in perspective for you:
New York Times, February 6, 1990 - daily circution- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii
Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii
Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii
Obscure promotional brochure paragraph- Obama born in Kenya
Chicago Magazine, January 1993- circulation 165,000- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Tribune, Feb 10, 1993- 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii
Los Angeles Times, August 7, 1995- daily circulation 605,243 - Obama born in Hawaii
"Dreams from My Father" 1995- millions of copies sold - Obama born in Hawaii
Barack Obama State Senate Webpage, October 1, 1999 - Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Daily Herald, January 22, 2003- 15,190 - Obama born in Hawaii
Time Magazine, June 24, 2004- circulation 3,276.882 - Obama born in Hawaii


So explain to me- how exactly did Obama go around 'allowing people to believe that he was born in Kenya" when every actual publication from before the brochure and after the brochure said he was born in Hawaii- including his 1995 book and his 1999 webpage?

I mean if Obama was trying to fool anyone about him being born in Kenya- he was doing an abysmally poor job of it since millions of people had read about him being born in Hawaii.

Explain that one to me- this whole "Obama was telling everyone he was born in Kenya" fiction – how does that jive with the real story?

 

No just another Birther - well lets call it charitably 'exageration'.

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms when I was in high school."

Note to readers- the article never says that Obama possessed his birth certificate- only that he saw it- in high school.

Only a Birther would be obsessed about whether a person has in his possession a birth certificate that he remembers seeing THIRTY YEARS AGO! Did his mother or grandmother turn it over to him? We don't know. Was it an official birth certificate or a mere photocopy or souvenir copy we don't know. Does it matter to anyone but the obsessive- no.

Because what does matter is that we have seen copies of his official birth certificate, verified repeatedly by the State of Hawaii.

The really funny part is hearing a Birther imply that they would accept this unknown birth certificate- when they have declared as forgeries both official birth certificates.

No- just more Birther rationalizations for why no documentation will ever be acceptable to them for Barack Obama.

 

god help us...

WILLARD tax returns please

 

http://james4america.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/from-dreams-of-my-father/

I don't think this self mentioned BC has ever been released or seen, which if released at any point in his career, would have mooted any questions....

 

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms when I was in high school."

Note to readers- the article never says that Obama possessed his birth certificate- only that he saw it- in high school.

Only a Birther would be obsessed about whether a person has in his possession a birth certificate that he remembers seeing THIRTY YEARS AGO! Did his mother or grandmother turn it over to him? We don't know. Was it an official birth certificate or a mere photocopy or souvenir copy we don't know. Does it matter to anyone but the obsessive- no.

Because what does matter is that we have seen copies of his official birth certificate, verified repeatedly by the State of Hawaii.

The really funny part is hearing a Birther imply that they would accept this unknown birth certificate- when they have declared as forgeries both official birth certificates.

No- just more Birther rationalizations for why no documentation will ever be acceptable to them for Barack Obama.

 

Hawaii does. That's all that matters.

 

So what?

The one he got from from Hawaii in 2007 moots all questions. So do the ones he got in 2011.

Only Birthers haven't figured that out yet.

 

And your proof is.......?