Obama's Failure

LIBERAL- Obama turned around the economy.

Me- Yeah he "turned it around", but if you didn't notice genius, 9% are still employed with up to 17% more having given up. Sure he might of helped out job rates a little bit, but if we continue on this path, the economy will be ruined.

Obama is corporatist who doesn't realize the common people are going through troubles, or at least isn't doing anything about it. While both Democrats and Republican in Congress are too bullheaded to work together for once, Obama is not even trying to rally the Congress. Instead he looking on. Obamacare will most likely be thrown out in the Supreme Court, you know that as well as I. Obama and Boehner alike are both not working for the best interests of the American people. His grand plans have failed. He's done.

 

he reads teleprompters.. he is not calling the shots.

 

Obama may have helped the situation by fending off a worse disaster however his actions will need to be addressed further down the road which will be a huge thing to deal with. We simply can't know for certain if his spending did help or not so we can give him the benefit of the doubt.

His health care will most likely be thrown out since he lashed out publicly at the Supreme Court Justices to their face on live television during his State of the Union address so I can see them a bit ticked off about that.

I'm afraid that unless he wins another term and does something noteworthy his presidency will be regarded as pretty much non-existent. History will record his greatest achievement as being the first black president and nothing more.

 

Lol, since when did Libertarians and Conservatives start caring so much about people giving up looking for work? Isn't that a very liberal thing to do, hahaha

 

Keep on laughing man. 5 million plus are looking for jobs still. The market sucks because the government is putting tight restrictions on EVERYTHING.

 

Yes, it's all those tight restrictions, lol. You guys will make anything up to try to blame the Govt for everything. Apparently history and logic isn't your guys strong suit.

 

Hey listen, I know you like big government, but come on man that's pathetic. The government has never done ANYTHING for the economy.

 

Sure it has. Just because you hate the Govt doesn't mean your weird conspiracy theories have any truth to them. The Govt employs over 20 million people and have lead to the development of some of the most influential technologies.

Their investments in the radio, sonar, computers, internet, etc were the cornerstone to innovation.

They have developed the largest and most technologically advanced military employing millions of individuals who take their income and go to your stores and purchase your services.

During times of distress like our current economy they have the ability to fund over 40 million people with food stamps and extend unemployment for those that can't find jobs. This has never happened in the past and it can only happen because of how advanced our system is.

So yes, the Govt has done plenty for the country but I'm sure nothing anyone can ever say will make you think otherwise.

 

Well, private investment has done much more. I'm sure you realize that.

Oh and they waste our taxpayer money by using food stamps and extending unemployment payments. They are ruing our economy.

 

Aren't you a Ron Paul supporter? If so, you are aware that he makes little to no changes to the unemployment benefit structure, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. right? If you want to end the entitlement programs, you are a small minority.

 

Of course I don't want to end them, I just want to make them more effective. If there are not enough people paying tax money, then how can we pay for these programs. I say let's have unemployment benefits but extending them for too long is bad. We should focus on them getting jobs.

I just wish these programs were reconstructed to make them more useful. I'm definitely not some crazy guy who wants to make it everyone for themselves. There are many good reasons to continue with these programs. And these aren't even the biggest issues of them all.

And social security should definately stay. What was the point of paying SS taxes for years then?

 

Yet, that does NOT mean that they can/will invest in or DO 'everything' this society requires. And it certainly doesn't mean private organizations can necessarily do things as WELL as the government does.

So, you imagine that millions of desperate people roaming the highways and byways of our society, is a good thing? Come on, get real... we should not leave people out here with no help.

ALL members of our society need to consider that they must contribute to the same. It is as simple as that. What we have to share in this nation (and the world) isn't infinite; we ALL depend upon someone, in some way.

 

I agree. For the elderly, I say make simple reforms to maintain long term solvency. For the unemployed, I say begin reforming the entitlement structure of various programs. We are not an entitlement nation; we are an empowerment nation.

 

Of course not. That's barbaric. It's just I am trying to get these people jobs and not have to depend on public assistance all their life.

 

I especially like that last sentence.

 

The question is how do we go about changing the structure for the unemployed. I am in favor of linking unemployment benefits for each individual to one of the following options:

1. Higher education
2. Vocational Training
3. Internships
4. Work Study Programs

Of course you will have an increase in the underemployed, but the hope is that there will be a decrease in those unemployed for more 5 weeks.

 

Better than anything the current administration is doing.

 

I agree. Although Ron Paul would disagree with my approach.

 

I guess not, although his will might not be allowed by congress.

 

The Government doesn't spend money to make a profit. They spend money so all the capitalist can be safe, have roads, have a military to protect them, have a legal system to protect them, have an environmental policy to protect the people, a police force to protect the people, an education system to educate the people, etc. The Govt does not invest in the economy in order to create a profit. That is a ridiculous assertion. The Govt invest tons of money in the computer so that the navy can do fast calculations of coordinates to locate enemies faster so we can defend ourselves.

They do not invest in computers so they can make Microsoft and make 100s of billions of dollars selling software to individuals. How do you not understand the difference?

Yes, paying people to eat and paying people who lost their jobs during a recession is such a travesty!! How dare the Govt. They are disgusting pigs trying to help people out. I want to live in a world where people just die if they can't eat!

 

Didn't I just clarify I was okay with those programs in the short term?

 

So then what is your problem? You say it's restrictions... but how can it be restrictions if the rich people have all the money? How did they get so much money if there are so many restrictions on them?

 

Many of them got rich in shady business deals. However many worked hard. A lot inherited as well. Tons of reasons for rich people, and not all are legitimate.

 

So how did they get rich with all these stiff Govt regulations?

 

Many of them had deals with the government. The regulations are on small business and the average people.