One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin

My bad, thought he was referring to a poster. Clearly the whole "the first bangs were louder" argument doesn't prove that the rifleman shot first and, as you pointed out, not even the driver claims he did

 

Apparently, it was the friend/'medic' who shot the second firearm.(Again, according to the police chief's testimony.). What makes it more confusing about intent, is that if this man intended to kill Mr.Foster, why did he immediately call police after driving away from the shooting? A guilt complex? Or was it the natural law-abiding response to inform the police? Or did he want to create some sort of alibi/excuse with his testimony?

 

So....anyway....

Some of you guys whose side I am usually on, think that it depends whether you're protesting for conservative values or for liberal values as to whether you should open carry....and deserve to live through it.

These guys are fine...



But this guy deserved to die....




Gun rights for me, but not for thee, gentlemen?

 

Entirely possible that he was intimidated when the protesters, after turning his car directly into the marchers, started banging on his car. Intimidated enough to fear for his life. If Foster was holding his rifle that would be enough to claim self defense. If it was still holstered to his chest, that's a tougher case.

I can see him driving away before calling police for fear of being shot or beaten to death after he shot "one of theirs".

 

I personally don't think that anyone deserves to die. We had gotten conflicting reports(not even 'reports'. Let's call it what it is: Rumors) and those rumors swirled into even bigger rumors and getting the actual facts was/is hard. Now, if there were history between Mr. Foster and our still unknown shooter, it would be easier to discern whether or not an actual murder took place but we don't have that information.

The information we do have(namely Foster's last known public words) are that of an instigator and a troublemaker. Specifically, one who believed that no one would do anything to him. Given that warped mindset, is it possible that he may have pointed his firearm and/or that he was knocking on the car and the driver saw his strapped firearm and deduced him to be a threat?

This is a case, where because both subjects are armed, intention becomes key and parsing that out will be difficult(not impossible though), that's why there's homicide detectives. The medical examination will also show more.

 

I support the rights of any and all who want to exercise their right to legally carry, but, that said, being a responsible gun owner goes hand in hand with legally carrying.

There's a big difference between CAN legally carry, and SHOULD legally carry.

The dead guy was absolutely NOT a responsible gun owner, because he clearly had the attitude of a belligerent child who wanted to flex his gun muscles, and the interview with him where he says "They won't let us march in the streets" makes it perfectly clearly that he knew he was engaging in an act of civil disobedience when he was marching in the street and blocking traffic to taunt the "pu$$ies" just a mere matter of hours later.

Dead guy was dangerous, and I consider it somewhat of a "best case scenario" that his stupidity and childishness only resulted in one death, his own.

I'm not saying he deserved to die, but, if somebody had to die, he's certainly a good candidate.

One less dangerous child waving a gun around.

 

Yes, well, more speculation.

Foster could be more like one of the Boogaloo Bois. The left labels them "right-wing" extremists because they are 2nd Amendment rights guys...and they want to abolish police just as much as the "left-wing" BLM does. In fact, I've seen a couple of videos where the Boogaloos are marching with BLM because of the shared hatred for police.

But....speculation.

 

Yep, I guess we'll have to wait and see. You know how it goes, the immediate reaction is "Trump voter murders innocent BLM'r". Then after a week or so the truth will come out.

I'd like to know what kind of handgun the driver had....then it would be obvious about the sounds.

Unless there is some serious mic issues, those first 5 cracks sound supersonic....and you're only gonna get that noise level with rifles and a very select group of handguns,,,like the .357 SIG I have. When I took my carry test I was with a bunch of old farts with 9mms and 38's. I let them shoot first and then I'd shoot. The first time I shot when they did one of them like to have had a heart attack....scared the **** of out them.

Now I'll just sit back and let libs tell me about guns. It's quite entertaining.

 

Okay. I hope I don't see you support Boogaloo Bois because they are right-wing ultra-Libertarian anarchists who think police are "pu$$ies" who should be abolished.

 

that was not a lawful way to clear the road for traffic.

 

Boogaloos are clown shoes.

If you see any of the Illinois Nazis engaging in acts civil disobedience and intimidation, be sure to bring it to my attention, so that I may heap scorn and derision upon their shenanigans.

 

AK-47 are russian arms, they are known for being loud and having bad aim.

AR-15 are American arms and have better aim.

 

Yeah? What are you gonna do about it, pu$$y?!

-Garrett Foster, gun muscular

 

Was she there at the time that this happened? That picture was obviously taken much earlier during the day where as the guy was shot when it was full blown dark out. But thanks for showing me that she was there. I stand corrected on that part.

 

So another moral of the story: Russian arms suck, American arms rule lol.

 

I think whether or not he fired 5 shots is easily answerable. Just have to wait on the report though. If he did fire 5 shots its possible that he was just aiming at the car and not the person in the car. Something that the driver would not know and would still react the same way. Or the guy was aiming at the driver and the bullets were stopped by the car door/seat/door jam. From the angle in that picture that's a possibility.

Its also possible that he saw the driver pulling out a gun and responded to that threat. He just had the piss poor shooting reaction whereas the driver was probably more experienced with the gun and as such his aim was truer.

In the end I think its best to wait on the outcome of the report. We could speculate all day long as there are many ways that this could have gone down.

 

it appears to be lawful because the black lives matter thug shot his car with a russian made AK-47

 

Some of the witnesses said he was pushing her wheelchair when he was shot. One witness said Foster and his wife had been marching (hmmm...rolling?) all 50 days in a row.

 

I posted the police chief's briefing. Foster did not shoot his rifle.

 

Well, the picture in post 47 definitely shows that he wasn't pushing her when he got shot.

 

Did you see Boogaloos and BLM together? Didn't get mainstream media. Doesn't fit the normal narrative.

The again, it's 2020. Define "normal". LOL

 

Right...the police chief said that not all witness reports were consistent, so they're still investigating to get to the truth.

 

Potentially, there are 3 good guys with guns. Open carry met stand your ground, and two out of three men are left standing...the concealed carry guys.

Perhaps the guy in the car saw the rifle and showed his gun, causing Foster to put his hand on his rifle, causing car-guy to shoot. Each man was intimidated at the sight of each other's weapons. It'll be up to a jury to work that one out.

Meanwhile, 3rd good guy with a gun is probably completely off the hook for shooting at the car whose driver he assumed to be a drive-by shooter.

What a mess!

 

why would open carry and concealed carry guys purchase expensive weapons with no body armor?

they came with the intention of standing their ground

 

Stay Safe!

MOSTLY PEACEFUL: Austin Protest Turns Deadly; One Killed. “According to a source with knowledge of the events that transpired Saturday night, the protesters surrounded the wrong car. The driver was armed, as is legal in Texas, and fired when the man with the rifle approached the driver’s car and pointed his gun at the car window.” Well, stay tuned, but blocking streets and threatening motorists is a violent act, and it is dangerous for all concerned. It’s malpractice for police to allow this to happen.