Only the total majority vote!

As you like, but the comparative analysis made says otherwise:

 

It's pretty ironic for you to be talking that smack about civics courses when you came in here thinking that the 12th Amendment established the electoral college.

 

And you have one, but NOT because of the Electoral College. You FUNDAMENTALLY misunderstand what a Republic IS if you think so.

 

The US was built on the electoral college. So small towns had a say in big matters. So LA and NYC don't choose all the politicians every election.

Are you new to US politics?

 

That takes the nation as a whole. I said white middle class americans live just as long as white middle class Europeans.

 

But white ethnicities live longer because they have costly but better healthcare treatment. And why? Because they have better medical coverage.

And why? Because the whites have jobs that pay the outlandish costs of privatized-medicine! And non-white ethnicities do not obtain the same level of treatment BECAUSE IT IS TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE!

You are refusing to look at the key-objections to American healthcare. IT IS TOO EFFING EXPENSIVE!

For your edification:
UNDERSTANDING AND ELIMINATING RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES IN HEALTH CARE BACKGROUND PAPER RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES IN HEALTH CARE: A BACKGROUND AND HISTORY
- excerpt:

Enough said ... ?

 

Not a mistake at all, the founding Fathers didn't want the densely populated cities to rule the rural areas. With the electoral college they get a voice. It's up to the politicians to visit them and convince them to vote for them. Sounds like Democracy to me.

You obviously know little to nothing about the United States.

 

Oh, puh-leeze! Enough of the Founding Fathers! All that was more than 200 years ago! And today-is-today!

They were fixating on (1) finding the means to fight the British and after wining their revolution (2) finding the investment money to build the economy. The colonies did not have THAT MANY rich people. And the biggest mistake the initial American governments made was to not invoke freedom-from-slavery because the US was an agrarian economy and white owners needed the cheap-labor to support their lifestyle!

Worse yet, to this day there is a socioeconomic cleavage between Whites and All-others Not White! But particularly the Blacks:

And what you know would fit-a-thimble.

It took the US almost a century after its revolution from British hegemony to free the slaves and the country had to go to war to do it!

And you still live in a country where the popular-vote is exploited by means of Gerrymandering and the "winner-takes-all rule" of the Electoral College*. And you THINK you live in a "free country"? Free from what?

Both sides or our two-party system are manipulating the popular-vote - and you remain blind to the facts ... !

*Do you know that 5 times in our history, we, the sheeple, have allowed the loser of the popular-vote to win the Presidency? Donald Dork is only the latest example!

 

I didn't say we weren't a Democracy but we are not a Democracy that rules by majority rule. We have a Constitution that protects the rights of minorities.

(My 1'st Civic lesson)

I pledge allegiance to the flag

of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands

ONE nation under GOD, INDIVISIBLE

with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL.

One shouldn't preach, or be so high and mighty, when their own country is burning every weekend.

 

I am not refusing anything. You told a white middle class american that he would not live as long as European. I took exception to that. And responded as a fellow white middle class American, that we will. I did not say the general US population. Hence the group "white middle class" I don't need or want to go to Europe outside of tourism. I certainly do not want to go there for my medical care as I live in a suburb of Boston and would put my healthcare options against anyone anywhere in the world.

I am a progressive and certainly do see the need for better access to healthcare for all americans. And there are many more poor white Americans without healthcare than they are black or brown.

 

I'll defer to Ronald Reagan to answer you post.........

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so. - Ronald Reagan, Rendezvous with Destiny, October 27, 1964

The disparity in living conditions between Whites and Blacks is they don't for the most part have a 2 parent household. No one can fix that but themselves. If they want better wages, stay in school, work hard and get educated, go on to college and do the same......get a great job and make more money.

 

Pure BS. The above is wilful racial bias.

Prove this assertion with facts, then we can debate the matter.

For the moment, you are just farting into the wind ...

 

Yes, that is your right in a debate.

But you must (in any debate forum) refute with factual evidence to support your opinion.

I'm still waiting ...

 

What is the debate? do Europeans have a healthier lifestyle than white Americans? Is universal healthcare going to stop Americans from eating potato chips and hamburgers? Are american going to stop driving to a store instead of walking. Healthcare access is only one portion of the issue in the disparity of longivity. How come EU trails Japan by more than the US trails the EU? Why don't europeans want to live longer and adopt japanese lifestyle and society.

What do you want to debate? That if you transport a American to country in Europe he is going to live longer. I don't think so.

 

Dreadful rebuttal with acrimony and no credible evidence. Meaning: blah, blah, blah!

We are a second-class democracy due to the manipulations of the popular-vote - which I have argued/explained numerous times. And you come back to me with the pledge-of-allegiance?

You'd be better on a Message Board ... there are no rules and you can blather all you want.

Here, however, is a debate-forum - and you evidently do not understand the rules of cogent debate!

From here: NYU Rules for debate - excerpt:

 

Absolutely! Have you ever been regularly to a doctor. You should, at least once a year!

He will tell you what you doing wrong, IF you have obvious habit that could induce either sickness or long-term degradation of various parts of your physical body.

THIS is the kind of professional attention that is necessary to AVOID illness. And, it is the kind that free, gratis and for nothing in the European Union. Any such meeting in the US with a GP is worth?

From here:

And if one lives below the Poverty Threshold, they simply cannot even afford it. Which is why the have lower life-spans.

Yeah, I know - "That's the way the cookie crumbles ..." Your cookie in the US. Not mine here in France. It costs 29€ (add 6% to get dollars) to see a GP, 26€ are reimbursed by the National Healthcare Service ...

 

Not racist, just factual. Please learn about a subject before you stick your foot in your mouth.

 

Here in Kansas we have a democratic vote for who should be president. Everyone got a vote. Donald Trump won. So that is how our states electors voted. Worked perfectly.

 

Attaboy! That's what you should have said in the first place!

Instead of the pointless blah-blah-blah ...

 

Lifespan is the overall indicator of a healthy lifestyle.

Now you prove that having a low-cost National Health Service has nothing whatsoever to do with that outcome ... !

 

Everyone knows what they are doing wrong and they still do it.

Where did I say that? I said that lifestyle in the US has a significant role to play. I said That I want a single payer healthcare. I certainly do not want a government run plan. the government is the payer but the providers I want to remain private. I also want the well off to be able to buy private healthcare premium type plans

 

OK, PeePee, you tell me what the numbers say instead of just posting them.

For the Nth time - this is a DEBATE forum! Get it?

You haven't done your "homework" and you get an "D" for effort ...

 

You don't seem to understand that without government intervention like a National Healthcare organization, that tariffs will remain much higher than elsewhere.

I see my GP in France (for about $30 in Euros and reimbursable) and in the US it can be triple that amount. Which means your "private insurance" is pretty damn expensive. Whereas mine is not the least bit costly.

This also means that in the US coverage is therefore UNFAIR and for a great part of the population unavailable!

Healthcare is not something that bends to a market-economy where the principles of competition apply. Healthcare must be as distributedly available as is policing or your local firemen - such as ANY PUBLIC SERVICE.

Why Americans like you cannot understand the wickedness of privatized healthcare is beyond comprehension.

It's like something out of an African jungle where "survival of the fittest" is the rule ...