Opinion: The problem with Trump’s indictment

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  1. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/02/opinions/donald-trump-indictment-gps-fareed-zakaria/index.html

    He’s right. The charges against Trump are weak. The DA is pursuing them to keep a political promise.

    I think Trump should be charged and arrested for his more serious crimes, like intimidating election officials in Georgia. But people will be less inclined to take those more serious charges seriously after this fiasco in New York.
     
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    Have they released the indictment?

    How can anyone know if the charges are weak?
     
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    Who gives a rat’s tail what stupid thing Trump did in Georgia? The election was over. He lost.

    All these stupid indictments are doing is giving Trump more attention and publicity, which he loves.

    Of course the side benefit for the truly guilty is that it diverts attention from the real issues.
     
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    So law and order aren't important to you.
     
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    What are the specific charges?
     
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    Yesterday I read an opinion piece from a firmer federal prosecutor who pretty much dismissed this case as nothing to see here. He believes the case comes down to fraud when Trump used his company’s money to pay a personal expense and he thinks that’s where Bragg is going. The problem he said is there is no victim to defraud, it’s his own company. What’s frustrating is this case could go on for years before we see it end.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He tried to change the result of the election by intimidating election officials to find votes for him. I think most intelligent people care about that.
     
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    You missed my point, probably on purpose. Trump needs no more publicity.

    As for you comment, you have no interest in the Hunter Biden business dealings. So your interests in “law and order” is limited to politics.
     
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    I'm sure the feds are investigating Hunter. If they find his business dealings violated the law, lock him up. If Joe was involved, lock him up. I don't invest in individual politicians.

    I don't think the justice system should care about politics, so i don't care that Trump getting indicted gives him more publicity, that shouldn't be a factor.
     
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    EXACTLY!
     
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    Heard the same argument with a person named Charles Manson. It was all circumstantial, and he and his followers attempted to make a mockery of the courtroom in that time.

    But we are only seeing what has been publicly available so far on the assumption it is business fraud with the payments and similar to Sen Edwards's situation. This case with Trump in NYC as with any criminal case should not be the sole judge on the court of public opinion but in a court of law. In the end, let the chips fall where they may.
     
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    It has not been released yet. It will happen later today or early tomorrow at the very latest. The general idea is "business fraud."
     
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    So we should just not indict any crime that wasn't successfully completed? That's insane. Maybe some of us actually care about democracy. I'm sorry that you apparently find that strange.
     
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    Trump may not need no more publicity, but Trump will try to get as much publicity in this as he can, which is why he is traveling back to Mar a Lago to give a "sppech" which the Newsmaxx crew were all giddy about.
     
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    By then, he will have been informed of his right to remain silent, and he will ignore that right, and likely commit more crimes during his speech.
     
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    I was disappointed that this was the case that indicted first (assuming the other two will in the future).
     
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    Same here. He's absolutely ****ed in the documents case in particular.
     
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    Who cares that a sitting president tried to manipulate a states voting results in order to steal a presidential election. He wasn’t successful after all!

    I really cannot believe you just said that — wait, yes I can
     
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    I don't know if a gag order will be issued today. I think it will eventually be issued, but not sure today. I do think the judge will warn Trump not to discuss this case with anyone other than his counsel of record. And depending on what the judge says to him will determine what he says in his speech.
     
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    Even without a gag order, i'd think veiled threats towards the prosecutor, judge, Michael Cohen or Stormy Daniels would be illegal.
     
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    LOL-- how long, after a crime has been committed, before it becomes "who cares," in your book? I thought that was what statutes of limitations, dealt with.
     
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    Yes…I know. I was trying to point out the OP can’t really claim the charges against Trump are weak when we don’t actually know what the specific charges are.
     
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    Well I told them if they don't fire that prosecutor within so many hours that they wouldn't be getting the aid money and son of a b**** they fired him...
     
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    Yea, he was communicating the policy of the entire Western world. Maybe you don't keep up with what is going on in the world, but we all knew that the prosecutor was corrupt. It was the open policy of the entire western world, that he should be fired.

    Maybe you just weren't paying attention to it until years later when Sean Hannity told you about it.
     
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    The prosecutor wasn't investigating Hunter or even Burisma at the time. It was the official position of the US, our allies, and even many in Ukraine that this guy had to go. You've fallen for a lie.
     
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