Organic Food Poisoning

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  1. Superpower

    Superpower New Member

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    I bet that freaked out a lot of people when I said the green revolution was a failure.
    But it's true.

    There are a lot of good things about modern farming.

    New tractors. New harvesting equipment. Irrigation. Farm buildings for equipment, and packing
    areas and Cold storage buildings. Trucks to haul their produce to market. Wholesalers
    to distribute the produce to retailers. It's all good. So farming made a lot of progress over
    the years.

    But when Monsanto and chemical companies - dirty corporations - start bankrupting those
    farmers for their own greedy profits, and developing new technologies that result in MORE pesticide use,
    thats called - TOTAL FAILURE.

    In many ways the green revolution was a total failure.



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    This guy - Robert Van den Bosch. He was an entomologist at UC Berkeley in the 1970s
    and he wrote the book "Pesticide Conspiracy."

    Robert Van den Bosch - One of the greatest Americans that ever lived because he stood
    up to the entire agrichemical industry. If anyone reads his book, they'll understand how the world works, and agrichemical companies (like Monsanto) never stop cheating the small farmer.

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    great book for anyone wants to learn things.
     
  3. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cheers to Monsanto for one of the greatest inventions of this century, Roundup (glysophate). That wonderful chemical has fed many people and saved vast amounts of resources by allowing no-till farming. And it kicks weedy ass in my yard.

    The Monsanto conspiracy theories are just stupid. Monsanto is one of many agricorps, who compete vigorously against each other, and Monsanto is not even one of the bigger ones. Monsanto can't even buy their way to the top of the agricorp pile, much less control the global food supply. They dominate in one crop, RRS (Roundup-ready soybeans). In the bigger corn and wheat sectors, they're a minor player.
     
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    It wasn’t until Graciela’s daughter Celia was diagnosed with leukemia at age 15 that her family learned of the potential health effects of pesticide exposure.

    2 million farmworkers toiling in America’s agricultural fields to put food on our tables. Together, they are exposed to more than 5 billion pounds of pesticides annually.

    But most people only think about money and profit. And that's the disgusting thing about humans.

    http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/05/30/epa-regulations-protecting-farmworkers-pesticides

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  5. Superpower

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    Actually, your first statement is a lie. All our food is less nutritious now than it was in the 1960s.
    New high yielding less nutritious varieties are developed 'for profit' and no one gives a sh!t about nutrition. Some of the old extremely nutritious ancient grains that small farmers planted for centuries have been replaced by newer high yielding varieties - FOR PROFIT.

    That's one reason people have more sickness and disease now.

    And I see Monsanto has done a good job spending $millions to fool us
    into thinking their GMOs need LESS pesticides. It's the opposite. The rats
    are in business to sell more pesticides.

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    We're eating more Roundup now than any time in history. And we love it
    because Monsatan told us we're eating less pesticides.
     
  6. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excellent post. I should buy some Monsanto stock. Its sales must be going through the roof!!!
     
  7. Superpower

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    The same way I don't know anything about cars and engines and I have
    to trust a mechanic to fix a broken fuel pump, most people are clueless
    about farming. so when someone tells them GMOs are good for them, they
    believe it. Big corporations don't mind if we eat more Roundup in our food.
    Big corporations don't mind if small farmers go bankrupt - in fact that's exactly
    what they want. Big corporations don't care if farm workers get leukemia. they only
    care about money.


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  8. dnsmith

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    No, it is a lie, and I witnessed the first few years of it, went back 45 years later and it was still a great green revolution.

    Green Revolution in India was a period when agriculture in India increased its yields due to improved agronomic technology. It allowed developing countries, like India, to overcome chronic food defects. The "revolution" began in the 1960s, but it's confirmed that it began in 1953 through the introduction of high-yield crop varieties and application of modern agricultural techniques. It led to an increase in food production in India, especially in Punjab, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh during the early phase. The main development was higher-yielding varieties of wheat, which were developed by many scientists, including American agronomist Dr. Norman Borlaug, Indian geneticist M. S. Swaminathan, and others. The Indian Agricultural Research Institute also claims credit for enabling the Green Revolution,[1] in part by developing rust resistant strains of wheat.[2]

    There are a lot of good things about modern farming.

    New tractors. New harvesting equipment. Irrigation. Farm buildings for equipment, and packing areas and Cold storage buildings. Trucks to haul their produce to market. Wholesalers to distribute the produce to retailers. It's all good. So farming made a lot of progress over the years.

    More food, less starvation but at a cost in future health issues in which some farmers misusing chemical fertilizers and pesticides, will contract cancer or other diseases over a 30 to 40 year period, while it prevented millions from starving.

    In addition: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Green_Revolution.aspx
    In which I found a perfect description of your corrupted thinking, As successful as the Green Revolution was, the wholesale transfer of technology to the developing world had its critics. Some objected to the use of chemical fertilizer, which augmented or replaced animal manure or mineral fertilizer. Others objected to the use of pesticides, some of which are believed to be persistent in the environment. The use of irrigation was also criticized, as it often required drilling wells and tapping underground water sources, as was the encouragement of farming in areas formerly considered marginal, such as flood-prone regions in Bangladesh. The very fact that the new crop varieties were developed with foreign support caused some critics to label the entire program imperialistic. Critics also argued that the Green Revolution primarily benefited large farm operations that could more easily obtain fertilizer, pesticides, and modern equipment, and that it helped displace poorer farmers from the land, driving them into urban slums. Critics also pointed out that the heavy use of fertilizer and irrigation causes long-term degradation of the soil."

    Of course some of those issues are troubling, to those who Pooh Pooh the idea, but the fact remains it created the ability to FEED THE PEOPLE, PREVENT MILLIONS FROM STARVING, all over the world with only a minute % of those people developing diseases which MAY have been caused or exacerbated by the program.

    In other words superpower, you are a crackpot clinging to the nay sayers without recognizing the over all value of the program. It was NOT the cause of Monsanto or anyone else's dirty work, it was a great victory for the people of the world.

    By someone who knows from personal experience the facts to present to ignorant people like you. You must be the poster child of the left wing extremist conspiracy theorist.

    Simple dude, fact over your fiction. I guess you have never been over burning ghat when the starved dead were burned. Even in a typically wealthy (Indian standards) during the summer and fall of 1952 thousands starved for lack of food to buy.
     
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    If you believe that clown, I have a bridge over a Louisiana swamp to sell you.
     
  10. dnsmith

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    You continue to post comments about a minute minority of people who ;when exposed to something, get ill and die. I my 4 year old granddaughter eats more than a smear of gluten an ambulance couldn't get her to a hospital in time. Another young person I know had to be moved from the areas growing peanuts because even the dust in the air had minute quantities of an allergen which came close to killing him on more than one occasion until diagnosed.

    Your twisted thinking in trying to make people believe that saving millions of people from starving, (by using pesticides) because some are more sensitive to the residue is preposterous. You are a charlatan of the worst kind.
     
  11. upside-down cake

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    The entire food industry needs to be highly regulated.

    But the US has the most lax laws regarding safe-food standards in the entire western world. You can stick cow-(*)(*)(*)(*) in a bottle, call it natural, and you might have a good chance of selling it.
     
  12. dnsmith

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    Yet their has NEVER been even an iota of proof that GMOs are harmful, nor a single accurate report of anyone getting sick using GMOs. But about one thing you are correct. YOU and many other people are gullible when told (by ignorant people) that GMOs are harmful, believe it. It seems like you are in some high school somewhere in a left wing extremists colony somewhere allowing your imagine run wild.
     
  13. FreshAir

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    this is why food needs to be labeled, be it dna modified or organic or whatever

    otherwise you do not know where the blame goes
     
  14. dnsmith

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    I am sure you don't want to hear this, but your statement is absolutely false. I have lived in countries all over the world and no where, and I do mean NO WHERE is the food safer to eat than here in the US and Canada. Even Canada has some problems we don't have. That is because the farmers themselves are more concerned about their product than even the government. It is appears that you like Superpower have chosen the
    conspiracy theories instead of the facts.

    Personally, I believe the huge advances of food production 60-65 years growing enough to feed the world with minimal number of people having allergies relative to the saving millions of people from starving take precedent over you puny propaganda.
     
  15. upside-down cake

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    On the surface, farmers are autonomous. In reality, they are heavily dependent on loans, subsidies, and products from external sources that will- to varying degrees- dictate what they produce and how they produce it. The market will also dictate what farmers produce and how they produce it. Far from the hearty farmer with a conscious, they are quite beholden to forces outside of their ability to moderate.

    And I'm not sure what information you are looking at, but the US is much more liberal on the idea of "safe food" than most other nations. Many food that are banned in other countries are allowed into the US. Many practices that are out-lawed in other countries are allowed within the US. It is the reason why people are being cautioned to not trust the wording on their products- because, like the 'all-natural' brand, it tends to be full of crap. The US allows a lot of things to be called "natural" even though they are not.
     
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    USA and Canada are a couple of strange countries. For some reason
    we allow big corporations to treat us consumers like fools. We don't need
    all those chemical additives.
     
  17. dnsmith

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    Unless there is positive evidence that someone intended to do harm, blame is a useless event. Blame is the weak man's aphrodisiac .
     
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    You made my point for me. Countries who ban food which has been positively identified as safe and nutritious are allowing big mouths like you make stupid laws. Where have I made the observations I posted above? Germany, France, Spain in which I lived and worked for 16 years, are where I got my European experience. India, Pakistan and Indo China (all 3 countries) are where I got my Asian Experience living there of over 5 years. Those experiences have taught me the junk science you nay sayers propagandize. I have a close relationship with agriculture all my life, and I am here to tell you lies and exaggerations about the Dangers of GMO, and the Safeness of Organic foods. You sire are a charlatan. All of your links to articles that "support" your opinions are by people with an agenda with ABSOLUTELY NO FACTUAL SCIENCE knowledge. Go pedal your lies with those like you, a big circle jerk.
     
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    We may not need ALL OF THEM but to do without some (maybe even most) would degrade the quantity and quality of our food supply. Join upside down cake as the purveyor of ignorance. You want organic? PLANT A GARDEN, RAISE A PIG AND SOME CHICKEN. Good luck finding ANY animal food which does not have GMOs in them. Oh, raise your own livestock food, if you can find any on the market.
    genetically modified food is only a speed up of natural hybridization. If you refuse to believe that, live in ignorance for the rest of your life.

    Hint: Even standard grain seed plants will become GMOs right out of Companies like Monsanto because of cross pollination.
     
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    So you think farmers should be on a pedestal? Farmers are like all business owners, they all use credit to some degree, they do produce based on the market, the are just 1 industry requiring subsidies and price supports. Unless you go to some deserted area, clear the trees and brush, plant seeds for standard production (which are really not very available), spread your crap around for fertilizer (or buy some chicken/cow crap which will still be affected by GMO pollination.
     
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    yes, but knowing where a issue is, helps you decide what to avoid

    if only genetically modified tomatoes have a issue, how would you know unless they were labeled as such

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    Just because you've "been there" doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. We all live in this country and we all tend to believe the other has no idea what they are talking about.

    The "science" has been provided, humorously, for both sides. Which one is the truth? How can you prove the science of "science" when you are no scientist and can provide nothing another person can understand as more than a convincing set of words, numbers, charts, etc...?

    I don't know about you're experiences, but I've learned to be wary of what I buy. The concept that a company has cut corners for the sake of a buck is not exactly high fantasy to me.
     
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    There are no genetically modified tomatoes.
     
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    how do you know, without them being required to label them, you can't know

    labeling should be required.... so we do know

    kinda like the whole pink slime thing... I want to know, if I want pink slime I will buy a hot dog, if I was real meat I will buy a hamburger, sneaking pink slime in my hamburger is wrong

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    "But of course, with raging hard tomatoes come public cries of concern. Even though Calgene—the company behind the Flavr Savr tomato—sought FDA approval and had a product that the public loved, the media along with other scientists were skeptical of such a new, genetically modified product. Eventually Calgene sold to larger company Monsanto, who eventually shelved the Flavr Savr but still makes billions in the genetically modified food market."

    http://gizmodo.com/the-original-genetically-modified-tomato-youll-never-ea-559924439

    The information is there if you really want to find it but I'll bet you avoid Monsanto's site like the plague. Too bad you could learn something.

    So called 'pink slime' is not really slime at all but, made from real meat.
     

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