Origin of the Racist Myth "Blacks are Less Intelligent"

But as the poster I referenced pointed out "racism" may just be a function of poor lower class low IQ whites being forced to live around low IQ criminal minorities, or fear of having their jobs taken. High IQ whites in their white gated communities are more likely to say "we're not racist". What does this prove? Nothing. And you put that in the same category as "believing the race IQ gap has a genetic etiology." Totally separate things, but both "racism".

You are applying the extremely wide label of "racism" to a wide range of views and then finding those who hold an arbitrary number of those wide range of separate views have a lower average IQ.

This is meaningless.

Do you have a study which instead of investigating "racism" investigates specifically whether those who believe the race IQ gap has a genetic etiology have a lower IQ? This includes most psychology professors.

Your point is lame.

This is what the poster I referenced said. Your response was "LMAO he is racist".

And you are just trying to attack me because you lost the debate on the validity of IQ, using IQ.

How silly.

The really funny part is that I have a high IQ.

 

For the members of Political Forum that read this thread I want to re-state the fact that while racism has been linked to low intelligence by clinical studies it by no means implies that all racists have a low IQ. It can also be pointed out that just because a person has a high IQ it doesn't imply that they will apply it. In short a very "intelligent" person can act in a stupid manner.

In this thread I've provided creditable sources such as the APA that have stated that psychologists have never reached a consensus opinion on what human intelligence actual is. It did not require a high IQ to read what the APA states.

I've also provided documentation that IQ tests were invented to evaluate the potential for learning of the individual, a limited area of human intelligence. for the exclusive purpose of improving education. The original Binet-Simon test focused exclusively on verbal skills but has been expanded in scope over the years and is still considered one of the foremost standardized IQ tests today related to testing for educational goals. There have been other IQ tests created that didn't focus exclusively on "educational" goals and address other forms of human intelligence and on these there aren't any disparities in scores correlating to race. This was also addressed by the APA.

Genetic research has found no evidence of genetic polymorphism related to race and intelligence. (The "racist" claim is that because no evidence exists then it must exist.)

I have never attempted to change the bigoted mind as that is an impossible task. I don't care what someone's IQ might be if they simply refuse to acknowledge overwhelming evidence their opinion is wrong then it is impossible to convince them they're wrong. As I noted early on the bigot will simply respond to creditable information with claims it's "lies" or "garbage" or will "attack" the source regardless of how creditable the source is. In rebuttal they will often resort to sources that are not creditable such as annonymous sources of opinion found on the internet. I have provided very creditable sources and compelling arguments for others and that was my only goal. It is up to the unbigoted individual to sort out the fact from the fiction and I believe that what I presented is a compelling presentation of the facts. In that task I believe I've been highly successful based upon the number of "likes" and "Reps" I've received from other Forum Members.

And any racist bigots will continue to live in denial of the facts........... which is to be expected because it's the very nature of bigotry.

 

LOL, you are the bigot. You presented one source which had a theory that IQ tests were not the best measure of intelligence from 2003. The theory was tested and proven wrong and as of 2012 IQ is considered the best measure of intelligence. I referenced the president of the APA on that. You said you do not have access to the paper.

Specific polymorphisms do not need to be found to establish a genetic etiology. Specific polymorphisms for height have not been found, but it is known to be mainly genetic.

You have lost this debate miserably and your only recourse is to chant "you are a racist bigot".

Pathetic.

 

It won't matter soon.
The thread will reach 500 posts, a mod will declare victory and close it.

 

I don't believe there are any questions related to what a racism is when clinical psychologists use it:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

I'm sure that clinical psychologists can read a dictionary.

 

Skin colour has nothing to do with intelligence, since intelligence is based on environment, and opportunity.

 

LMAO.."racism".
It's a cheap commie smear invented by Trotsky to intimidate anyone who notices that racial differences exist and matter.

Here's another definition;

racism (noun)

An undetectable (but unquestionably real) “systemic, societal, institutional, omnipresent, and epistemologically embedded phenomenon that pervades every vestige of our reality” (in the words of Negro scholar Omowale Akintunde), forcing brown-skinned people to fail out of school, smoke crack, not get a job, abandon their kids, contract AIDS, commit every crime at a staggering rate, underperform on culturally unbiased tests of highly heritable cognitive abilities, and generally act like a bunch of god(*)(*)(*)(*) jungle savages, thus making them seem inferior to whites in every way outside of certain sports, or at least certain positions in certain sports (and to which Asians are somehow, mysteriously immune). Usually rendered blatant racism. In minorities, the leading cause of depression, death, animal and child abuse, tears, impotence, low self-esteem, persistent whining, and congestive heart failure. Literally the worst thing in the entire world.

racist (adjective)

Expressing, suggesting, or hinting at discomforting truths about race.
Failing to sufficiently denigrate and discriminate against whites.

Directed at a white person by a non-white person: causing the speaker, or some (actual or hypothetical) like-race individual, to feel (or suspect that he may feel) unwanted, uncared for, unlikeable, uneasy, uncomfortable, upset, angry, guilty, hurt, cross, inferior, or stupid in some way, usually by the offending party being racist (def. 1), being racist (def. 2), or saying something like “I hate all the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s, they look just like chimpanzees, why won’t they go back to Africa and keep their chimpanzee paws off my big-screen TV.” Derogatory. Punishable by death in most jurisdictions. Often rendered raciss, as in you raciss and das raciss.

 

So vague as to be essentially meaningless. Loaded with arbitrary negative meanings by the left and encompassing both irrational hate and rational scientific investigations. A stupid dishonest word for stupid dishonest people.

 

LMAO. The definition should include the observation that "racism" is the only force in the universe that has a more powerful effect with increasing distance.

 

Your position is that genetics plays no part in determining intelligence?
Is that your final answer?

 

But if you judge two people by an intelligence test one of them may indeed be found to be stupid. Einstein was a plagiarist and a fraud. If you judge people based on things considered signs of intelligence, some will be better than others and more intelligent. This has nothing to do with climbing trees, or fish, which are stupid. How ridiculous.

We're talking about race not skin color. Intelligence is known to have a genetic basis.

 

Sure it plays a part, but since "we" are still studying genetics, and inherent abilities sent through DNA, I would say there is no limit to anyone, again, given the right environment, and opportunity. We have discovered that mankinds ability to adapt is infinite. Example, feral children. They are not genitically stupid, they learn what is necessary, to survive. That would be deemed as environmental exposure. Again, since genetics is still being proven and disproven as per posts in this thread, to stand hard on current theories, is not valid since, they can be disproven in the coming years, and technologies.

 

This is nonsense and some people have low genetic intelligence and cannot learn advanced mathematics for example.

 

Really? He was a genius once upon a time. Guess that just furthers my point. Proven, and disproven. You are no more correct, then the current beliefs, and theories, until someone else comes along and disproves what is accepted now.

 

No. I am correct and you are wrong.

 

So which races from the dawn of man, cannot learn advanced Mathematics, and is it inability, or lack of interest? I am really interested to know.

 

Ok, I was going to listen to your ideas, but this comment just shut me down. I left it open, to be listening...

 

Really?..Seriously?... IQ has no effect on ability? All people are exactly the same?

No..genetics are a proven science. Horses, cattle, fish, dogs, goats chickens, etc...all are bred according to genetics in order to enhance certain traits and diminish other undesirable ones.
This holds true in humans, too....That's why one doesn't breed with one's sister or mother.

 

A great quotation. Of course judging someone based upon skin color is like judging two virtually identical automobles based upon what color the cars are painted. The "genetic" differences between so-called "races" is so insignificant as to be meaningless scientifically. The analogy of paint color of a car is highly accurate because that's about what percentage of genetic difference there is between the so-called races.

From a genetic perspective there have only been two subspiecis of Homo Sapien: H. sapiens neanderthalensis and H. sapien homo sapiens. H. sapiens neanderthalensis is extinct and all H. sapiens today are the same H. sapien homo sapien subspecies. There are no fundamental genetic difference between any of us. We are a single race and that is the Human Race. "Racists" look at the color of the car and ignore that all of the cars are "genetically" the same.

 

A great quotation. Of course judging someone based upon skin color is like judging two virtually identical automobles based upon what color the cars are painted. The "genetic" differences between so-called "races" is so insignificant as to be meaningless scientifically. The analogy of paint color of a car is highly accurate because that's about what percentage of genetic difference there is between the so-called races.

From a genetic perspective there have only been two subspiecis of Homo Sapien: H. sapiens neanderthalensis and H. sapien homo sapiens. H. sapiens neanderthalensis is extinct and all H. sapiens today are the same H. sapien homo sapien subspecies. There are no fundamental genetic difference between any of us. We are a single race and that is the Human Race. "Racists" look at the color of the car and ignore that all of the cars are "genetically" the same.

 

Race isn't based on skin color and in fact dark skinned South Indian Dravidians are in the same racial group as light skinned North Europeans (Caucasians), while light skinned East Asians are in another group, and dark skinned Negroes a third.

Anybody with the tiniest amount of knowledge on race would know that.

Unfortunately some people's knowledge and reasoning ability is so utterly miniscule as to be literally zero.

Also they are bigoted.

 

There have been claims that racism in America is a result of in-breeding but I've never found any evidence supporting that claim.

Of course some base their belief in the intelligence of an individual on appearance. Using the criteria that if ai person looks dumb they must be dumb then apparently this individual is an idiot:



Looks can be deceiving.....

 

That would be stupid.

Others however develop fair culturally neutral tests and apply them.

Of course that doesn't stop uneducated ignorami from shouting "racism" when the results do not conform to their fantasy model of how the world should be.

 

And the more the gene pool is mixed, the less that data will be relevant. IMO

 

Blacks are less intelligent, on average. This is not a myth, it is a statistical fact.

Racism comes into play when the interpretation for this observation is assumed to be their genetic inferiority, instead of cultural factors.