Our changing times: which side will the right and left take about this free speech documentary?

I am not saying it's right. I just think that if you go into a public place and make radical offensive statements you should be prepared to deal with hostility and you probably shouldn't be surprised by it. You can see this demonstrated by many different groups in many different situations.

 

It is sad that many Democrats oppose Free Speech -- the basis of Democracy.

 

Look at how the left is treating Kanye West for all you need to know about this question.

 

Indeed the gloating over Mrs Barbara Bush's passing was evil. RIP.

 

I believe that Count Dankula was rightly convicted for joking about Holocaust.

But I am 100% against Liberals censoring legitimate dissent.

 

Freedom of Speech is the most Fundamental of all Human Rights.

 

They wanted her to be fired....so same thing.

 

How does calling someone a liberal or a progressive point out that people who describe themselves as liberal are anything but?

 

Okay so you don't believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Got ya.

 

Freedom to express grievances -- 100%. Freedom to abuse -- no.

 

The 1A have got zero to do with this. I find it hilarious that when this was brought up previously, forum righties dimissed it out of hand declaring the 1A only pertain to Congress (rightly so). Now forum righties want to change their mind because it fits their narrative???

If you are worry about the 1A, y'all would scream at the top of y'all lung at Trump, who wanted to shut down the MSM. Heck he have even suggested doing it in a sneaky manner by pulling their licenses. Y'all are one confused bunch.

 

Are you OK with Kaepernick kneeling and not standing for the national anthem, yes, or no?

 

Of course using violence towards someone because you simply disagree with their politics is wrong and unacceptable.

 

Pet peeve! First, lets make this clear AGAIN. 'Liberal'. has different meanings depending on context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism. Some are not right and some wrong. I refer you to the section entitled Classical and Modern liberalism, specifically Modern American Liberalism. A plurality of posters here are American, so that will determine a predominant context for political discussion. Its not as practical for Modern American Liberals to preface their use each time, as it is classical liberals because they are less common at this site. But if you ask me as a poster, I'd be glad to clear up the confusion for you, ONCE. I am a Modern American Liberal. I am progressive and stand a little left of the center line. Now we all know that any political term in broad modern use will change in both what it connotes and what it denotes. Liberalism is in flux as is conservatism so FDR's liberalism is changing as is Barry Goldwater's conservativism. Its not up to you to decide which of us 'liberals' is or is not.

to the larger point. I not only want colleges to offer a broader array of ideas, I want us to broaden access in high schools. We have all become cowards and over sensitive to ideas outside our comfort zone. Now none of this has squat to do with the first amendment but free speech is way to important to rest content that 'government' is not censoring. If we are self-censoring our access to ideas, we end up with the same general harm to our republican form of government. Stagnation is as corrosive as any nasty ideology.

As for the media, we determine what political coverage the media provides us. Right now it provides us with drama, conflict, easy to digest and simplistic stories and lots of winners and losers each day. How do we change what we want?

I would be happy to watch this documentary to see what they say, but my guess is that they are not worried that actual socialist ideas are nowhere to be found in media coverage or schools either. Its not a left/right problem. Its a center- of- the road/ already-sitting- in- one- of- the -two -party-platforms kind of problem.

 

Like I said - you don't believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Got ya.

 

I couldn't care less. He certainly has the right to do it - it just means that he is a sad and sorry excuse for an American.

 

Can you rephrase this?

Are you worried about this?

 

See above.

 

As long as he (and the NFL) are okay with me not going to their games or watching them on TV, or buying from their advertisers.

 

Silence is Golden. Less is More. All is Vanity. Much ado about nothing.

 

Political titles change, I'd think you'd agree?

A 'classic liberal' (google it) is best exemplified by the two left-wingers I mentioned in my OP, Van Jones and Cornell West.

But what do you call, in this case, a left wing college student who demands that our 1A rights be squashed because they find our speech offensive?

They might be progressive or a socialist, but the term 'liberal' can't really be accurately applied, can it?

 

Incorrect.

Tell why it's OK for a publicly-funded university to prevent speakers from attending events on campus because of their politics.

If a private university that doesn't accept any government funding wishes to limit who can speak on their campus based on their political ideology, more power to them. But not a taxpayer-funded university, I'm sure you'll agree?

 

Excellent points about political labels, which is why I hesitate to use just the term 'liberal.'

My reply to someone else who brought this up:

Political titles change, I'd think you'd agree?

A 'classic liberal' (google it) is best exemplified by the two left-wingers I mentioned in my OP, Van Jones and Cornell West.

But what do you call, in this case, a left wing college student who demands that our 1A rights be squashed because they find our speech offensive?

They might be progressive or a socialist, but the term 'liberal' can't really be accurately applied, can it?

I appreciate your response here, and would enjoy hearing further from you on this, as political labels are also problematic when describing conservatives. For example, what do you call a right winger who doesn't believe Fed.gov should be involved in issues such as drug enforcement, gay marriage and abortion but doesn't buy into the entire libertarian philosophy? (describing myself here...)

 

On the contrary, we want people like that to keep talking.

 

They labeled me leftist, socialist for those views. I suspect they would labeled you the same.