Our current military readiness

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  1. pjohns

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    I have long known that our military is hollowed out. Mere comparisons of how many divisions the US has, vis-à-vis other countries, blatantly ignores this fact.

    Less than a week ago, however, Jennifer Griffin, on FNC, did a more specific accounting of the matter.

    She noted the following:

    *Marine aviators are cannibalizing other planes, just to get to the Middle East.

    *Half of the B-1 bombers in South Dakota's air base could not fly; people there had to get spare parts from the "Boneyard," in Arizona, in order to make them fly.

    *As to the army, only five--five--of 58 brigades are currently ready to fight.

    This all sounds pretty depressing to me...
     
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    US Navy Is NOT Ready For Major War:

    The US surface fleet may not be adequately trained for high-intensity combat, four experienced former skippers and the former deputy secretary of defense warned a US Naval Institute conference here on Monday.

    “Navigation and seamanship, these are the fundamental capabilities which every surface warfare officer should have, but I suspect if called to war, we’ll be required to do a lot more than safely navigate the Singapore strait,” where the destroyer USS McCain collided with an oil tanker, said retired Capt. Kevin Eyer, former skipper of the cruisers Shiloh, Chancellorsville, and Thomas Gates. “If our surface forces are unable to successfully execute these fundamental blocking and tackling tasks, how can it be possibly be expected that they are also able to do the much more complex warfighting tasks?”

    Warning !!! Before continuing you might want to borrow some Play Dough from a liberal who had to go into therapy after Trump won.

    Got your Play Dough ?

    Then continue -> https://breakingdefense.com/2017/12...ANlPHmNcth1vB9UloKF_a3It1eD0TA&_hsmi=59120648
     
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    Cut the military in half. They will be more than able to defend our shores
     
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    I am guessing that you believe that the US military has no legitimate role beyond just "defend[ing] our shores" from assault.

    That strikes me as a very restrained view--held only by progressives and libertarians...
     
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    Most Americans would rather defend our shores from 5,000 to 10,000 miles away than on our beaches or in the air over the CONUS.
     
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    That is not defense. It is offense and the reason why so many in the world hate us and want to attack us
     
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    To paraphrase....Nobody in ISIS ever bothered me.
     
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    Cut the army and air force in half, beef up the navy and marines and update our nuclear forces with a new class of superior nuclear weapons both tactical and strategic and keep working on our missile defenses and we will be fine we just need to be sure any minor missile attack can likely be stopped and we can respond quickly with a striking force superior to any rogue states. And we need to use a nuclear weapon on an enemy as soon as we can and make it a legitimate attack to show we will use them.
     
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    When attacked you go on the offense.

    That's how you win wars after being attacked.

    You take the war to the enemy.
     
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    President Clinton already did that during his administration.
     
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    Well that is factually incorrect. Half is 50%
     
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    We have not attacked an enemy who attacked us since WW2 and that includes 911
     
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    Our Air Force says the same. Our Special Forces and Rangers are spread all over the place and they are burning out. The Marines aren't doing any better. But you know Semper FI.



    We need to get rid of that BO peep sequestration.
     
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    All depends which branch of the military you are looking at. Clinton deactivated the 9th Marines (The Walking Dead) in violation of the National Security Act. All Marine Barack's and ship detachments became history and were deactivated.

    When Clinton became President he inherited Reagan's military that was able to put 500,000 troops into combat. When Clinton left the White House it was Clinton's military that G.W.Bush inherited Clinton's military being able to only put 200,000 troops into combat.

    Under Clinton 100 U.S. Navy ships were deactivated and over 1/2 of the Navy's oilers were deactivated that all of are ships couldn't refuel at sea which was SOP before Clinton and had to go into unfriendly ports like Yemen to refuel that allowed Al Qaeda to blow up the USS Cole.

    The Air National Guard who's main mission is the air defense of the CONUS lost 1/2 of it's fighter squadrons. So on 9-11-01 the ANG wasn't capable of putting a CAP over the CONUS and and it's not the job of the U.S. Air Force, Navy or Marines to provide CAP over the CONUS but that's what happened.

    1993 18 U.S. Army combat divisions.
    2000 10 U.S. Army combat divisions.

    Under Clinton the U.S. Air Force went from 24 Air Wings to 13 Air Wings.

    You don't judge a military by how many are wearing the uniform. You have to have REMF's to support the combat arms.

    Navies need shore support facilities and ship yards to be able to put ships to sea and fight.

    Armies need installations in the CONUS to train for war and maintenance and supply depots to support troops when they are deployed into combat.

    What happened under Clinton's watch was BRAC ll and BRAC lll.

    1993
    The 1993 Base Realignment and Closure Commission included:

    1995
    The 1995 Base Realignment and Closure Commission included:

     
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    It was North Koreans commies who attacked U.S. Army troops in South Korea in 1950.

    A nation doesn't have to be attacked by another country's military to take punitive actions against that nation.

    From 1800 to 1934 U.S. Marines made 180 armed landing on foreign shores, broke some stuff, shot some people and went back to their ships leaving a message "**** with America or American citizens again, we will be back and kick your butts again." The vast majority of these little wars were punitive actions.
     
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    If we are not in south korea there is no attack. These "punative actions" only serve to enrich the military industrial complex and make the world hate us
     
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    Not even close to half. And that was congress doing that as well
     
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    In 1950 South Korea was still under post WW ll Allie military occupation along with many other countries through out the world.

    I was aboard Okinawa two times when I was in the Corps, 1969 and 1970. Okinawa was still under post WW ll U.S. military occupation at the time with a U.S. military government and wasn't returned back to Japan until November of 1971.

    The Soviet's post WW ll military occupation of Eastern Europe didn't end until 1991.

    From 1946 until beginning in the late 1970's and 80's the entire Central Pacific (Micronesian Islands formerly the Mandate Islands ) was under the control of the U.S. Navy.

    We still have troops in Germany today.

    Wars of profiteering enriches the military complex.

    When Gen. Smedly Butler said that "War is a racket" he was only referring to the Banana Wars which were mostly wars of profiteering.
     
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    Under Clinton's watch the combat capability of the U.S. military was cut in half.
     
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    I really do not know exactly what that is supposed to mean.

    Even more importantly, perhaps, is the fact that I am not quite sure just how it is germane to my previous response.
     
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    They'll also be needed to quell the riots when our economy collapses.
     
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    Dude, that meme is 40 years out of date. Regular US businesses far outnumber the profits of military sales.
     
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    Yes Halliburton makes no money off the war... LOL
     
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    Our economy is not dependent on military spending. Lets spend it actually helping people
     
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    It is a paraphrase of a great man who refused to go to Vietnam and paid for it. We need to protect our shores....not the ME
     

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