Out 'Missiled': How Would America Stop Russia or China's Massive Stockpile of Missiles?

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    I remember the incident. It was in the 90s. Fortunately, then the international situation was much peaceful. If such an incident happened now, I think that 100% would have been a military response.
     
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    The only way to avoid horror in the event of a nuclear war, it is the hope to be in the epicenter of the explosion and die without understanding what happened.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep, ground zero is where I hope I'll be. lol
     
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    Lenin described any capitalist society. If we talk about its definition of the term "State", this definition is relevant for any society. Capitalist, socialist, feudal or any other.
    Will explain.
    Quote - "The state is the dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class."
    For example, under Stalin in Russia, the ruling class was the proletariat. That is a man of labor. And the state carried out the dictatorship of the proletariat in the interests of the man of labor.
    In the US, the ruling class is oligarchy, monopolies, trusts and syndicates. They dictate the domestic and foreign policy of the United States. And the state exercises dictatorship in the interests of oligarchy, monopolies, trusts and syndicates.
    And no matter how a person got into power, he will fulfill everything in the interests of the ruling class.
    I hope you have enough intelligence to understand this.
     
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    And I
     
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    The 1983 incident where the Soviet early warning system thought 5 Minuteman ICBMs had been launched from the U.S. would suggest otherwise. People do not "go nuclear" that easily.
     
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    NAMES ......not BS!
     
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    Prove it. Name 20 individual members of this so called "oligarchy".

    Can't do it? Didn't think so.
     
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    Hey, great idea!

    Why don't we just have every single corporation doing business with others just pack up and leave. No more goods made in China for US companies. No more goods made in the Philippines, Vietnam, India, Singapore, Taiwan, or anywhere else.

    Yea, great idea. The US would actually travel afterwards largely unscathed, but you just crushed the economies of half of the world.

    *shakes head sadly and wanders away*
     
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    I taught economics for decades and a commie opines to me that "you and economics are incompatible concepts." Hohhh-Kayyy...
     
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    I understand it. I don't agree with it.
     
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    Yes. People do not "go nuclear" that easily. But technology is evolving. The speed of delivery of a nuclear charge is growing. Therefore, if in 1983 there was a time to find out the real situation, today there is no such time. Therefore, I am sure that if a similar case occurs today, the answer will be 100%.
     
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    Wow, you really do not know history, do you?

    Texas was an independent nation for 10 years before it was admitted (at their own request) into the United States.

    During the Mexican-American War there was a revolution in California (known as the Bear Flag Revolt), centered in Sonoma but spreading throughout all of Alta California. This "California Republic" (which still uses a flag based off of that original 1846 one) then requested help from the US, and got it.

    And funny, that you mention that Guam is illegally occupied. Even though the political climate in the island is vastly in favor of becoming a Commonwealth. That means even closer political ties than it now has as an Organized Territory, with the next step becoming a state.

    Funny, that your "illegally occupied" island territory is well along the way to becoming the 51st or 52nd state. And that is something that the people of that island favor (also being floated is their being annexed by Hawaii). Of course, there is also a minority movement for them to join the Northern Mariana Islands. Yet another US territory, full of US citizens.

    And people who do not want to cut all ties with the US. But if you believe this so strongly, feel free to go down there and tell them why they should break from the US. Nothing is stopping them from doing so, it would simply require the democratic process and they could decide among themselves to become an independent nation any time they wanted to.
     
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    Maybe you will wait for an answer? Or you do not need an answer? Oligarchs - Rockefeller, Rothschild, Mellon, Morgan ... and so on. Do you not know this? However, maybe you live in a forest or on a reservation.
     
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    At first I thought you were talking about the Crimea. But it turned out you are talking about the United States. Double standards?
     
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    Apparently because people like you teach economics in the USA, the USA has the greatest debt in the history of mankind. And the USA have the economics of canine hairdressers, facebook and speculators. The symbol of the American economy can be considered the city of Detroit.
     
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    I have a quick question for you....what Operating System does your computer use?
    Who makes the movies you watch?
    The car you dive?

    By the way....it only takes one missile to begin the end.
     
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    The Rockefeller's have given away most of their fortunes over the years and I think something like one of them is still in major political office.

    What precise influence do the Rothschilds, Mellon's and Morgan's hold today?
     
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    Incorrect. It still takes 25-30 minutes for an ICBM launched from the U.S. or Russia to reach targets in the other. Still about 15 minutes for SSBNs at the closest they patrol to each others countries. Technology hasn't changed basic geometry.

    But there are very few SSBNs (of the Russians) patrolling in the open ocean anymore (two I've heard for a number of years) and I'm quite sure if they opened and flooded their missile tubes that the U.S. SSN trailing them would destroy them (as they have standing orders to do).
     
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    Do you think a Russian slave/surf can grasp the idea of freedom?
    He doesn’t realize that even 200 years ago American slaves had at least 1 pound of pork in their daily rationing, while a Russian surf was lucky to see any meat once a week.
    Russians exploit each other with unbelievable cruelty. The only way for one to understand it is to get out of Russia and spend 10 years outside. And even that doesn’t always work, as can be demonstrated by some members here who claim to have lived outside of Russia for extended period of time.
    That’s why people run from Russia at any chance they get. This has been true for hundreds of years.
     
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    New Russian ICBMs Sarmat are on liquid fuel. It will take a while to fuel one up before you can get it going. Fueling activity is easily detected by satellites.
    Russians are switching to a system that will give Americans even more warning that they are preparing to attack.
     
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    Was Crimea an independent nation before Russia moved in?

    You are aware that Texas was, I assume. Right? It had achieved it's independence on it's own, without the US being involved. In an internal revolution in Mexico, between those that lived in Northern Mexico. The US had no involvement in that conflict, they were completely neutral in it.

    Not a double standard at all. In fact, are you even aware that the founder of the Republic of Texas did not even want to ally with the US originally?

    Sam Houston favored the new Republic actually joining the United Kingdom, and even opened an embassy there. The building actually still stands, it is now a hat shop (but there is still a eatery next door called the "Texas Embassy"). But the Texas Congress and the people favored aligning with the US.

    So to be a double standard, you have to have Crimea choosing to leave the Ukraine, and Russia not involving itself in any way other than diplomatically. Then after a period of independence, recognized by multiple countries they then vote to join Russia. But that did not happen, did it? It was never independent, the Russian Army simply marched in and took over.

    No, not a double standard at all. You simply fail in history.
     
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    1. I use Windows and Linux.
    2. I watch films from different countries. Most of all I like French, American and Russian films. I will say right away, I believe that Russian films are inferior in quality to American ones. I also like old italian movies. Old American films I think are the best in world cinema. For example, such as "Three Days of the Condor", "The Godfather" (first part), "Evil, Bad, Good" (my favorite movie) and many others.
    Modern American cinema is much inferior to old films. Many low-quality paintings. But there are very good. (in any case, if to summarize - American cinema is better than Russian cinema)
    By the way. Now Korea makes quite decent films. China has also advanced in this indicator. I advise you to look. Especially historical films.
    I like watching American movies where evil Russians are shown. It is very funny. They drink vodka all the time and plan how to destroy the whole world. And they do not smile and wear some kind of strange military uniform. (Are there really no consultants in Hollywood who can say that this is complete nonsense?)
    But unfortunately now the quality is declining. First of all, movies are made unreal. And secondly - frankly weak scenarios.
    And it happens all over the world. Not only in Hollywood. Everywhere the movie gets worse. I don’t know, maybe this is due to a surplus of special effects or the writers have become more stupid.
    3. I have two cars. The main one I drive is a Honda Accord 2012. The second car - GAZ 69 1959 release. My wife uses the LADA "Vesta". And for fun on the Kawasaki Ninja ZX10 motorcycle.
    I had an American Jeep Grand Cherokee car. But it is not practical for Russia. Difficult to repair. Not all service stations in Russia have equipment for use in inches. But I liked the car itself. Although I think Japanese cars are better.
     
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    Wonder why the Russians would go back to liquid fueling missiles? Reliable, long storable, solid fuel propellants are literally ancient technology.
     
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    Yes. First, Crimea seceded from Ukraine. Fully complying with all the formalities, including the referendum. After that, Kram made a request to Russia, with a request to accept the Crimea into Russia.
     

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