Palestine: the world's next recognized nation

I was clearly referring to the fact that Jihadwatch per se should be ignored and avoided at all costs because as I illustrated it is an unreliable source....Thus, your attempts to slander me by falsely asserting that I effectively am an apologist for paedophilia was a disengenous attempt at a diversion from the substantive and underlying issue under discussion..Now go and play your silly games with somebody else because I'm not playing.

 

Clear as mud. I think this thread is about Palestine, but thanks for playing

 

The argument, as you know too well, was in response to another thread mentioned in post 124 above.. You really are a dishonest and disengenous (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) aren't you?

 

I know that, I even linked directly to it in a post just above here. You have a lot of negativity zulu1. I was pointing out that you took it OT and seem happy to keep it OT.

 

True to form, looks like Hamas in Gaza now is not satisfied with the pre1967 Palestinian borders, saying Hamas will not stop until Israel disappears completely.

 

This is good news....about time.


Thanks for starting this thread moon.

 

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& that sir, is exactly what the IDF was caught doing
Look at the Vid – Read the Articles –
The IDF even had the temerity to attempt to defend the practice



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4333982.stm
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3387356,00.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-troops-used-11-year-old-boy-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.272716
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ers-to-use-palestinian-human-shields-1.320311




& your Absurd avoidance of the Fact that the IDF is involved
in such a Disgusting & Illegal practice Exposes a Dirty Hypocrisy
.................................. that can but fatally Damage your cause

You seem to have no Idea of how Vile & Reprehensible this makes you look

NO – Israel fights behind its enemies children -------
SO that they can exercise their brand of tERRor with Impunity - .

THE PROOF IS SET BEFORE YOU

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Its not there yet. Hamas is stopping Gaza participating in their internal vote citing disagreement over the borders with Israel; which is in actuality a breach of the requirements for UN membership in the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, Article 1. b;

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

So as long as Hamas is engaged with destroying Israel and claiming her territory you could argue the border is actually still disputed.


http://www.international.to/index.p...alestine-gets-in&catid=47:reporters&Itemid=76

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=OTQxNTk4MTI3Ng==

 

Well thats a different point. I already proved its not what I was talking about.

What I said about the palestinian terrorists is much worse then using civilians for protection in policing operations, which is what the IDF is doing in those links of yours, and as discussed previously the IDF punishes its soldiers if they do the wrong thing....

...... in comparison to a whole operational technique employed by the palestinian terrorists to fuel violance and blood shed against civilians with civilians whilst hiding within civilians. Its incomparible and again, your ranting only reinforces the ludicrosity of the palestinians agenda.

 

What I revealed about the IDF terrorists practice, is much worse! To use an oppressed
peoples children to maintain an Illegal Occupation, which is what the IDF is seen to be doing
in the links given, and as discussed previously, the IDF even attempts to defend the practice

....... in comparison to a whole operational technique employed by the IDF terrorists to
fuel Violence and Blood Shed against civilians while hiding behind those peoples children.
IT is much WORSE than Hamas defending its streets. It is in no way comparable,

& it has never been shown or proven that Hamas uses its civilains in the way that you infer
Rather they operate & defend crowded Urban Areas not by choice but by Israeli impossed conditions

I suppose a Hamas Operative Assasinated by a Drone attack in a crowded market
............................... was hiding behind the Dozen other people thus Murdered ?

To Hell with such Reasoning
& such slimy Apologies as are attempted here
.................. They only further Expose the Obscene Repressions committed by those you defend



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You make your point quite clearly in posts # 96 & 98 from which I quote


I gave you a choice then

ADMIT TO US & TO YOURSELF, THAT IN THIS CASE YOU ARE WRONG
Or admit to US, that you are a FL who has sold his soul to a LIE.

It is plain to ALL the choice that you have made

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You said it yourself, he was a Hamas terrorist that got killed. Thats the biggest difference which you sadly seem miss with your support of terrorism - that the IDF is targetting people who have attacked them, whilst the terrorists target innocent civilians. Stop attacking Israel and the IDF will stop returning fire. Sure you'll probably skip that important point and use it as a platform to rant about how Israel's 'occupation' and resettlements are the cause of the palestinian terrorism, but again... that just shows your trolling a dud position.

 

Are you kidding ? Israel has no ' defined territory '. Furthermore, Israel is in breach of the very UN resolution which would legitimize Israel, namely Resolution 194. Your hasbara source has failed you.

You should also understand that Palestine is seeking recognition on the pre-1967 borders, not direct UN membership. That comes later.

You might now care to review this flamebait of yours.

 

No worries. It will heat up, I dare say, when AIPAC forces the US , along with US satellites such as Australia, to oppose justice for Palestine.

 

Israel isnt the one seeking recognition. My hasbara source? I posted 2 sources.

Dont try and create straws to cut;

The resolve of Palestinians to have Palestine become the 194th member of the UN was underlined by Nabil Shaath, a Palestinian politician, a peace negotiator and member of the PLO's rival Fatah party's central committee.

Shaath told the Chinese news agency Xinhua on July 30 that the decision to approach the UN and demand recognition of the state of Palestine as a full member of the organization "will be so helpful to the Palestinian cause in all cases no matter what the consequences are."

Why, look at it in the context to which it was posted replying to this sort of garbage; "I gave you a choice then ADMIT TO US & TO YOURSELF, THAT IN THIS CASE YOU ARE WRONG
Or admit to US, that you are a FOOL who has sold his soul to a LIE."

 

You think ? Many States don't recognize Israel, most of the neighbors, in fact, apart from those bribed to recognise it. That's not the point though. You claimed that Palestine doesn't have a defined territory. That's a very shaky platform considering that Israel doesn't have a defined territory either .

There is nothing here which conflicts with what I said- that this approach to the UN is for recognition of a Palestinian State. It is not yet an application for UN membership. That's the agenda but these are different processes. Once recognised on the pre-1967 borders there will be negotiations with Israel ( not with the Netanyahu fascists, obviously ) according to Resolution 242. The Zionists are obliged to conform to Resolution 242 and that Resolution will form part of the discussion. Once agreement is reached even Israel will support a Palestinian Statehood application and all the little Zionist fascists will have nowhere left to steal.

 

That is great. The Palestines should be considered it's own nation and State in the Arab World. They are humans with lives just like those who hate them.

 

Palestine, another soon to be failed nation that will need endless financial
'propping up' by the UN. Haven't we got of those already, so why give birth to more?

 

Hey, its not that simple to understand my point is it? I said Hamas in Gaza dispute the position of the border and the rules of the UN require a defined border. It really is irrelevant if Israel has a defined border as well. You dont think its relevant and on topic that the authority in Gaza does not want to the UN to recognise Palestine as being presented by Fatah to the UN!!!?? Try and pull yourself away from the 'Zionist facists' mumbo jumbo and consider staying on the topic which you yourself started LOL.

 

By the way, using civilians as human shields is a war crime. This is something you should know about the fearless IOF. They are, essentially, cowardly scum, hiding behind children.
As for the 'soldiers' being punished, you have to be kidding, right? A token wrist-slap and the occasional temporary demotion to keep the media happy is not what I call punishment.

 

Stop the reason for Hamas' retaliation (the illegal occupation and 'settlement' building by Israel), and they will have no reason to attack. Simple.
But no; the arrogant pricks in the Likud-dominated Knesset would find that utterly unacceptable. It's either a pure, Arab-free Jewish Israel, or nothing as far as they're concerned.

 

I'm on the topic and your post amounts to crass stupidity.

 

The GCC is poised to go in and rapidly develop infrrastructure.. power plants, desalination plants, power plants. They have the money and expertise to do so.

The objective is to create JOBS for Palestinians..

The US won't have to prop them up.

 

Re. Targeted assassinations in crowded Urban Areas

Be assured - You are NOT
defending yourself, by creating HATE against yourself, by perpetrating Criminal acts
Acts of unmitigated Terror. - Acts such as attacking market places with Drones & F16's

My concern is for the dozens of Innocents who are murdered in such Attacks
& that concern speaks Against, NOT for, the Terror that such attacks Inspire

“Sure you'll probably skip that important point to rant about how Israel is defending itself.”

But that would be a Bald Lie
For when you purposely Target someone in a Crowd with High Explosives
You are purposely TARGETing the Innocent civilians in that Crowd

& What ! - for God's Sake, - What but HATE, Terror & Reprisal, do you suppose Israel’s
Occupation & Expropriation & continual Abuse of Palestinians is calculated to Inspire ?

When the Oppressed Retaliate, you use that as an excuse to further Abuse & Dispossess them.
A convenient yet Transperant Rationalization, for people Glued to a Maliganant Ideology


Your Absurd defense of the indefensible speaks clearly of your intents toward Atrocity

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The past history of Fatah when given a lot of money to help the Palestininan population does not encourage much optimism. Fatah's high level of veniality and corruption is one of the main reasons for the rise in popularity of Hamas and I haven't seen any signs that Fatah (aka the Palestinian Authority) has reformed itself.

 

Nonetheless.. I have told you about the intentions of the GCC to develop infrastructure and jobs in a new palestinian state.