Palestinian State finally recognized (part 2)

Just as a side note here, your agenda isn't in any way promoted by utilizing sensationalist inserts such as "bloodstained hands". That is a losing dialogue in the international community, particularly in key areas that Palestinians need to gain support in (such as the US). Palestine needs a more modern, level headed, and less emotive voice if it isn't going to be dismissed by many in the west. In short, Palestine needs better PR, and the current highly emotive mud slinging and sensationalizing / hyperbole that takes place (quite a bit on this forum too) isn't doing anything to help or convince others of the legitimacy of your arguments.

 

Face it ... the Palestanians could care less about their own state ... nor could they care about peace ... what they really want is Israel

 

We'll soon see how the actors behave. I've been told by a very good Jewish friend of mine that the religious right in Israel will never allow peace. The same is probably true for the rednecks in Palestine.

 

Nonsense. NeoZionism should choke on its own sensationalism. Where have you been for the past sixty years .

Palestine needs a modern and efficient anti-aircraft system, not conciliatory waffle. Peace is an existential threat to Zionism. Arafat built the resistance structure which has earned Palestine recognition.

 

See, this is what I am talking about. You want NeoZionism to choke on its own sensationalism? Fine. But the method of making that happen doesn't lay in being sensationalists yourselves. They're better at it than you are and will beat you if you try to play that game. Palestine has no need for emotive sensationalism in its dialogue, it has international law on its side. The Palestinian argument needs to be a calm level headed one; that is how you will capture the moderates that Palestine needs in order to achieve wider support and recognition.

I am very much so pro-Palestinian human rights and very pro-two state solution. I should be a natural ally for you and other posters on here like Abu and Jack, but to be honest, more often than not I find myself simply scrolling past all of your posts without reading any of them because they are very angry and emotive. I understand where the anger stems from, but when you let it rule your dialogue it is a major turn off to those whom you would seek support from. It does nothing to further your cause, and may even hurt it by alienating potential allies.

I mean, just look at all of your signatures, they set a very negative and non-level headed tone for whatever conversation that you take part in. Is that really what you want? Is that really how you want Palestinians represented to the outside world? Do you honestly see that as a winning tactic?

 

Moons posts engender the opposite response in me.

 

Funny.

Israel is in palestine. What is there to want of israel?

 

But morons, do not believe that allah is the EXACT same god of stupid reverends of bibles and torah.

Same god (fuc'ck any mod that removes that fact)

only a'holes claim that allah is not the same god as christians and torah.

actually, it is the old aged morons that discount islam, simply because they are too weak to read the material to realize, it is the same religious foundation, just with additions. Just like christians did to judaism and the tailmudd is to torah

You have zero capability to demonstrate anything about any god.

You're posts do not even sustain much of any good, except the trash of the ignorant.

If moderation wants to keep removing my posts, i will get nastier

Shut the punks up, not the truth!

 

I agree.. Diplomatically people should phrase what they want carefully and constructively.

For the forum however, I like descriptive and colorful figurative word choice like this.. You paint a more detailed picture using rich language. However it still should avoid being rude or hostile.

 

Yes, and it's more accurate.

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138- 9. Hold on, I'm thinking.

 

This is the usual thing.

Israel do many bad things.. And supporters of Israel, in order to justify those bad things, or to shift the attention off those bad things, merely claim the Palestinians are the ones actually doing those bad things, when they are not.

FACTS:

Israel has killed at least eight unarmed civilians since the ceasefire.
Palestinians have killed nobody.

FACT:

Israel are currently occupying Palestine with military forces.
Palestinians are making no encroachments or invasions into Israeli territory.

Bring any of these up and they'll just say that Palestine are the ones doing these atrocities. They've got it backwards.

 

and the sickest ones are the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s that claim, that the allah god, aint the same god as the zionist and christian god.


It's all the same bs, over the same god, but with different beliefs surrounding their beliefs of ;god

 

Allah is the God of Abraham... Otherwise known as El, Enlil, Ellil, or Elyon ... the Almighty Creator, the Father .. and so on.
The word Elohim in Genesis .. the Gods ...is of course is derived from El

YHWH was one of El's numerous offspring .. as was Baal the storm God. El's consort was Asherah

Israelite settlements have reliefs that depict YHWH as El with his consort Asherah ... the numerous small 4 horned alters have been found .. a norm for each Israelite home ... symbolic for the Bull = El/Asherah

Much later the characteristics of Baal .. the storm God... and El were fused into YHWH by later editors of the OT after the Babylonian captivity when they had renewed freedom under Persia. 4-500 BC

Monotheism only came to the Israelites during the Persian period.. The Persian religion was Zoroastrian monotheism .. The Jews at this figured that the Persia was favored by God... and so this must be because they were monotheists. Sacrifice of Children also stopped under Persia because Zoroastrianism abhorred this practice.

The Bible was rewritten at this time .. fusing Zoroastrian monotheism into Judaism.

Here is a good Journal Article from the Journal of Hebrew Scriptures on El as depicted in Psalm 82
http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_144.pdf

Enjoy !

 

The Latest vote at the GA was for the Status of the so called Palestinians representatives at the UN.
General Assembly GA/11317 to Accord Palestine

"Non-Member Observer State" --- Status in United Nations

This is ALL lady... Please get some verification before posting...

Madam you must be confused... United Arab list had 138,262 voters 3.65% of total votes = 4 Mandates
Hadash had 113,610 voters, 2.99% of total votes = 4 Mandates

All the above are Arab VOTERS from the West Bank = Judea and Samaria
If you ad 138,262 to 113,610 = 251.872 voters above a quarter of a Million voters together they have 8 Mandates and this is quite respectable figure I think.

Gaza is an enclave of terrorists... if they would ever want to join the free thinking world they and they alone would have to do something about it.

 

You are having a little difficulty here interpreting my post I think. It has nothing to do with the latest vote. I'm talking about the international recognition of the occupied status of the territories, not of a Palestinian state.

Out of several million Arabs living in the area. Not very impressive; nor will I ever be by a token representation. Most Arabs living in the area lack political rights enjoyed by Arabs living within Israel proper, and that is a serious issue. Shrugging it off is simply dishonest.

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Collective punishment practices are illegal under international law and violate among other things, the Fourth Geneva Convention. I'm neither impressed nor swayed by your generalizations.

 

Spoilsports, eh ? What did these , clearly insane, religious throwbacks do once they were denied their regular kid-roasting ?

 

Gaza is an open prison whose inmates were ethnically cleansed from their rightful homes , nearby, such as the arab village of Nadj- now the neoZionist enclave called Sderot. Anybody calling these prisoners ' terrorists ' must be frightened of them- and not without cause, obviously.

 

Palestinian State finally recognized (part 2) ??
Do not be so happy, King Hussain is still the king. you are ahead...
Gaza will become a Legitimate part of Egypt and it's muslim brotherhood society.
other neglected beduim called "palestinians" will celecrate soon their state in Jordan.

 

Nonsense... you have to give a better description of Gaza friend... I suggest you visit your local library as what you wrote here is sucked from the thumb and is unsubstantiated.

 

a stupid post

 

[T]he truth is not merely unpleasant, an uninvited guest who makes conversation difficult and awkward. Truth is the enemy; truth is to be destroyed."

Gaza is a concentration camp. It is not like a concentration camp. It is not a metaphorical or figurative concentration camp. It is a concentration camp. Our culture, our political leaders, and the cacophony of voices in the media have all agreed that this truth must never be spoken.

If one wanted to be momentarily charitable about people's absolute refusal to recognize the obvious, one might argue that a land area of approximately 140 square miles, containing a population of roughly 1.7 million people, could not possibly be a concentration camp. But size and the number of prisoners are not the distinguishing characteristics of a concentration camp. The most essential characteristic of a concentration camp is what is permitted, and what is not. Only one question matters: Under what conditions are the people within its borders permitted to live?





How many realize, that israel fires phosphorus munitions on them civilians too?


[video=youtube;gchf_4VgtK4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gchf_4VgtK4[/video]




that be bonafide war crimes.

I suggst we treat any zionist war criminal like a hilter.

how about you?

 

that image is worth its own thread!!!!

That will be my concept for today; compassion for the oppressed

 

And if the Palestinians don't want 2 state solution?

 

Why should I provide you with evidence that Nadj became Sderot after ethnic cleansing ? It's historical fact.