Palestinians are a Myth

I happen to believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster gave me the Hawaiian Islands but lacking a signed and notorized transfer of property title my beliefs are meaningless.

The claims by some Jews that "God" gave the "Jewish Nation" (which is a mythical entity to begin with) the land of Palestine are equally meaningless.

 

It doesn't bother me in the first place. I don't need anything to make it easier.

Israel's response is necessary for its survival.

Quantrill

 

Well, I don't see any signed letter from anyone that Israel gave to the Arabs their land. Do you? Oh.

The claims of the Arabs to the land are meaningless. They don't have any paperwork on it.

So, I guess since we don't have any paper work we will go with who is there and in control of the land now. And who is that? Israel. There you go.

And, if the Arabs want Israel to increase her land, goahead and attack again.

Quantrill

 

The Zionist controlled government of Israel has to authority no take away or grant land to anyone. The land of Palestine belong to those who lived on and owned the land. The Zionist terrorists that immigrated to Palestine from Europe and forced the non-Jewish population from their homes, farms and businesses has no authority to do so and it was a violation of the unalienable Right of Property.

Israel is a nation founded upon the theft of the property of the inhabitants of Palestine through acts of terrorism and tyranny. This is so well documented that it cannot be denied. We, the World, do not condone terrorism, tyranny or theft and the Israeli government is a criminal entity that has no right to exist in it's present form. If Israel wants to exist as a nation then it must address its past violations of the unalienable Rights of the People of Palestine. World governments are tiring of the tyranny of Israel.

While the politicians in the United States still give lip-service to Israel there is a huge public outcry in opposition to the tyranny of Israel and soon the United States will stop its international protectionism of Israel. When that occurs then Israel will be doomed as a nation if it does not change. When the US turns against Israel, which is going to happen, then Israel will be isolated economically. Imports and exports from Israel will be blocked. No more oil for Israel. No more export of Israeli goods. With such economic sanctions the Israeli economy will collapse and drive the Israeli people into poverty. No more iron ore to build weapons, Israeli assets will be seized worldwide. The extent of the economic sanctions will be driven by the arrogance of the Zionists that control Israel.

Zionism will die a slow and painful death as it rightfully should. It was founded on terrorism and survives on tyranny and is unacceptable in the modern world.

 

I can't be asked to read 14 pages of text, so feel free to ignore me, but is the argument here that Palestinians are not a people of their own and that somehow means that they have no claim to a nation?

Ein volk
ein reich...

right?

 

So, now your basing the right of ownership, not on any papers, but who was there. Well, Israel was there and was overrun by her enemies. Then she came back with the help of the nations of the world.

The Arabs that moved and lived and prospered there in Israel, did so on Israel's land. If you want to do that, ok, but then when Israel returns you leave. If you want to war about it, ok, thats another accepted form of rule over land. The winner takes the land. And so Israel has the land back. She doesn't need any paperwork, she is there.

Israel doesn't need to address anything. The world will always be against Israel, so to try and appease the world is an endless and impossible task. Israel will do what is best for her and her people.

So you want to play the role of a prophet. Your mistaken. Perhaps the US will one day turn against Israel and no longer support her. But, when that day comes, other things are set in motion that do not bode well for the Arabs. Remember, the Arabs have a poor track record against Israel no matter what the odds. So, no, you will never see Israel out of the land. There will be difficult times, but she is there to stay.

Quantrill

 

You could read the opening post and the quote given. I believe that would explain the argument.

Quantrill

 

Instead of referring to the book, why don't you read it?

Its a satire on obnoxious travelers.

 

That's what I did.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our stuggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese."

Why is whether Palestinians are a people or not relevant to whether they have a claim to the land they were living on?

 

Good question.. The people we call Palestinians have been living in the region for 2500 years.. Just like the Jewish community in Iran has been living in Iran/Persia for 2500 years.

 

Because the land is Israels that the Arabs were living on all this time. It was not Palestinian land or the Palestinian people. It was Arabs living on the land of Israel.

The purpose of identifying the Arabs as Palestinians is just as the opening post said, so that they could make claim to the land of Israel. Because as Arabs they could not.

So, if you want to go live on someone else's land, then don't be surprised when your forced to leave when they return.

Quantrill

 

If you don't want to call them Palestinians just call them HILL PEOPLE.

They have always lived there according to the Bible.

 

People of all persuasions have been living all over the place for ages. Peoples do not have borders between them.

 

The Arabs don't want to call them hill people. They want to call them Palestinians so as to have some credible right to Israel's land. Read the opening post. They are Arabs.

Quantrill

 

You're right and they have always been Arabs.. just like the Lebanese and Jordanians and Syrians have always been Arabs.

 

In what way was "the land is Israels that the Arabs were living on all this time"? The land previously belonged to the Turks and the Brits, and Muslims/Arabs/otherwise were allowed to live where they wanted to. Is there a specific reason why the land belongs more to the Israelis than those who actually owned it?

Not all Arabs can make a claim on the land, only those who lived there and owned it. Those are the Palestinians. That doesn't mean they're a separate people, it's just a convenient word for separating out those who are relevant.

 

You're right. As opposed to Israelites. To whom the land belongs.

Quantrill

 

Evidently that was NOT God's true plan because Goy and Gentiles have always lived in Palestine.

 

If you see no particular reason why it should not belong to either Turks, Brits, or Muslims, then it simply belongs to the one who has it now. And that is Israel.

Im fine with that too.

Quantrill

 

Not quite.. The Arabs have been in Palestine since 721 BC..

Galilee was gentile, Samaria was Arab and the Decapolis was Greek..

The Scythians lived in Scythiopolis.

 

No, it has always been God's plan. Gentiles can live there. But the land belongs to Israel.

Quantrill

 

According to Jewish mythology..

 

Once again the basis for this statement is false.

A Palestinian is anyone who's homeland is "Palestine" and that has absolutely nothing to do with race, religion, or ethnic heritage.

This is identical to someone being "European" or an "American" or a "Mexican" as it relates to the homeland of the individual.

 

you are very mistaken, Shiva_TD.

You are confusing the arabs of modern "Palestine" with the ancient "Philistines". Both groups are completely and distinctly different.

'Historically, the Romans destroyed the Jewish State of Judea and killed or exiled all of its people. The Romans wanted to wipe away all remembrance of a connection between the Jews and their land, so they re-named all of it "Palestinia" in honour of the Philistines. The land passed into the hands of the Byzantines, Persians, Arabs, Crusaders, and Turks. The Arabs and their Turkish masters had ecologically unsound customs so the Land became desolate and very underpopulated. It has been said that every tree in the Galilee was planted by the British since the Turks cut down all that they found to provide fuel for their railway engines. In the 1800s the Jews -- with British encouragement and protection -- began to return and resettle the Land, a process which culminated in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the British undertaking to prepare "the establishment in Palestine of a National Home" for the Jews.

The original draft of the Balfour Declaration called for "The reconstitution of Palestine as the National Home of the Jewish people." Anti-Zionist assimilationist Jews in Britain caused the final draft to be toned down. The original intention was that ALL of Palestine would be given over to the Jews -- and so it should have been. Palestine then included the present-day State of Jordan.

The so-called Palestinian people are the descendants of a mixed populace of local inhabitants together with numerous other groups of Muslims brought to Palestine from Bosnia, the Balkans, and the Caucasus by the Turks, and from the Sudan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon by the British. Those who came to Palestine in the time of the British Mandate were, however, brought over only partly due to the anti-Zionist, religious, and ideological motivation of some British officials -- and mainly because of administrative and economical necessity. Jewish Zionists and capitalists were amongst their major employers (often at the expense of the Jewish Proletariat) and struggles were fought over this issue."