Part 26 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    You have not answer the question do you accept and worship Jesus Christ?
    Stop dodging the question.


    So are you a Christian a Christian that accept and worship Jesus Christ or not?
    Very simple question we need everyone here need to know your religious status?

    Deception is as I quote:
    Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
    Lest ye not forget.
    Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible.


    You still believe cannibalism is not evil and wicked you still contradict Genesis 6:5, you continue to claim God should leave those evil people alone???

    You have not answer the question do you accept and worship Jesus Christ?
    Stop dodging the question.
    Stop talking about others behind their back just concentrate about yourself.

    You sure like to gossip about others.
    So, are you a Christian that accept and worship Jesus Christ or not?
    If you are a Mormon or JW just say so? You don't have to be ashamed of being a Mormon or JW.

    They think you are probably a chameleon?
     
  2. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    WR.. its you that made the claim that people were eating their children before Noah's Flood..
     
  3. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    How do you know Paul was referring to is Caesar? Which Caesar there were many Caesars some evil ones some not so evil?
    Yes, Caesar did not recognize the authority of Jesus Christ of God that is why Paul could not be referring to them. Instead Paul was referring to the evil and pagan rulers of Rome should submit themselves to God's authority not the other way around.

    Your make up stuff once again as usual conflicts with Biblical historicity.

    The rulers of Rome were all none believers of God they all rule according to their own authority to their pagan gods. Paul was not referring to them that was why these rulers would have Paul put to death for preaching about the Christian God.

    Why do you real think that those Caesars rule and submit themselves to the Christian God Jesus Christ?
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say he would provide gibberish, but that he would repeat his gibberish. It was an answer to what he had posted and which was wrong.
     
  5. Incorporeal

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    Was he wrong? Well, scientists like to envision man (modern humans) as having evolved from such as the Neanderthal and even earlier stages. So let us just start with the Neanderthal. See here: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/europes-hypocritical-history-of-cannibalism-42642371/?no-ist

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    Europe boasts the oldest fossil evidence of cannibalism. In a 1999 Science article, French paleontologists reported that 100,000-year-old bones from six Neanderthal victims found in a French cave called Moula-Guercy had been broken by other Neanderthals in such a way as to extract marrow and brains. In addition, tool marks on the mandible and femur suggested that tongue and thigh meat had been cut off for consumption. "


    Seems to me that he was right.
     
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    100,000 years ago.. yet the young earth creationists claim Noah's flood was in 2500 BC.
     
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    There is a difference between a physical/bodily resurrection and a spiritual. Reincarnation is more on a spiritual level.

    What is strange is that Paul, the disciples (if Mark is any indication of their beliefs) and Clement (Pope around 95 AD) did not believe in a physical resurrection.

    Does this mean the early Christians believed in a form of reincarnation ?
     
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    I know because according to written historical facts the Roman rulers during Paul's time were not ruling under the Christian God Jesus Christ in fact they were very much against God remember Paul was once a Christian hunter until God converted him to become His disciple.
    I do not accuse of you of making things up you are making things up clearly that is why history does not agree with your claims which are all made up.

    English is not the issue education is so I will try my best to assist in your education.

    And those authorities are not the anti Christian rulers of Rome the Caesars.

    This mean that Caesar, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Nazis all like them that clearly they are all against God are not ruling with God's authority or permission and those evil rulers are to be resisted that is why those type of regimes their greatest enemy and target are Christians.

    And those existing authority were not ruling according to God's authority.

    What is written both in the Bible and history is very clear those type of rulers Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, ISIS, etc. are all evil and they rule not according or under to God's authority but under their own authority.

    What you are stating are base on those evil rulers bible their Red Book, their Mein Kampf.

     
  9. Incorporeal

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    If he repeated his gibberish, then he would be providing gibberish.
     
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    Well, I do believe that 100,000 years ago was before 2500 BC. Correct me if I am wrong.
     
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    So the guy who is always claiming denying the validity of perception itself, the fellow who says that the freezing point of water is arbitrary because the symbols we use for number were chosen arbitrarily, is now all of a sudden claiming that perception in fact is valid.

    What hypocrisy.
     
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    It was your people that are claiming that people in Noah's time were not evil and wicked in direct contradiction to Genesis 6:5
    Don't you consider eating their own as evil and wicked?
     
  13. Incorporeal

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    Where did I mention perception in the post you quoted? I simply posted information that came from Paleontologists. My closing comment where I used the word "seems" shows that I am not making a declaration or asserting the information to be true, but that I am only guessing. Want to make another judgment call?
     
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    You are confused beyond confusion WR

    Romans 13
    Paul is referring to "State Authorities" / Rulers. If these rulers of the State are not Caesar the those magistrates in authority under Caesar then who do you think Paul is referring to ?
     
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    When ever anyone else uses science you scream out "Prove it, Prove it" and rather than presenting an opposing perspective/perception you challenge the validity of perception itself.

    This is the root of your hypocrisy.
     
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    Margot did not say that it wasn't. What is true is that if no animals existed prior to God creating them roughly 6000 years ago as young earth creationists believe... then animals existing 100,000 years ago is impossible.

    Someone is wrong.

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    Who is "your people" and which of them claimed that people were not evil and wicked. Are you making things up again ?

    Further, where in Genesis does it state that people were eating their own children ? Are you making things up again ?
     
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    Your claims are again false. I deal with science related material on a daily basis. In fact, I am right now sitting at my workbench which is loaded with computer equipment and electronic measuring instruments. So, I do have a level of confidence in science, however it is much lower than my confidence in the Lord. As for me asking for people to 'prove it', I only do that when the claims i out of the ordinary such as claiming the earth is 14 billion years old or claiming to have seen the edge of the universe or calling someone a hypocrite or claiming that someone is stupid or ignorant.
     
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    Then it must have been the Paleontologists. They probably messed up with their calculations.
     
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    This is B.S and you know it.

    You claimed the freezing point of water was subjective on the basis of perception.
    That measurement of distance was arbitrary because the symbols used for numbers on a ruler were chosen arbitrarily.

    You have denied logic as valid because it is based on human perception.

    You use this disingenuous tactic on a regular basis to dispute even the most ordinary of scientific proclamations or logical conclusions.
     
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    Is "freezing water" found in "reality"? Yes? Then you also claimed that "Reality can not be proven." Care to make another judgment call? Have a nice day.


     
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    Sure ... along with the Geologists, Chemists, Biologists, Physicists and any other scientist who has concluded that the earth is much older than 6000 years.

    Ice Cores, Tree Rings, Coral, radiological methods ... all wrong but the story made up by some desert wanderer 3000 years ago in order to support some religious belief is correct.
     
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    Do you think God wrote the old testament?
     
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    I admit that the validity of perception itself can not be proven. The standards on which we validate perception is based on the perception of others.

    Either you accept the validity of this collective perception or you do not. Your disingenuous tactic is challenging perception itself rather than the validity of a particular perspective.

    Then you use these same perspectives that you previously denied to try and support your claims in relation to reality.

    This is your hypocrisy ... not mine.
     
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    Well no particular party or group was blamed before I made my suggestion. So what is exactly wrong with my suggestion? Can you prove your claim regarding the other groups of people that you mentioned?

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    Yes.. the perception of others. In the case of measuring devices etc... those are all based on the perceptions of others. anything else you would like to add?

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    Nope... man did. What is your point? Man also screwed up in his other writings such as science journals... now what?
     
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    Other than the fact that you are a disingenuous troll and a hypocrite ?
     
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