Part 37 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Margot2

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    Jewish stories are often about the younger son getting over on the older son.
     
  2. Maxwell

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    Again, there is not one word about Islam or any prophecy mentioning Islam or Mohammed in the Scriptures. We have many pointing to the Messiah. Read Galatians.
     
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    The only threat is the fact that you teach others to believe that the Bible is infallible, when it clearly isn't. The more you propagate the 'infallibility' of the Bible the more damage you do to Christianity when people begin to realise it isn't infallible. So the threat is not from the agnostic or atheist - it's from people like you.
     
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    No there isn't. Only what Christianity wrongly draws from the OT.
     
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    Yah do the weak creation writhe in the painful torment of Satans powerful grasp. Weeping desperate tears do they shed in such ignorance of the love of the lord. None will be the rewards of sublime happy joy joy for these heathenous creatures of evil when the hand of Yahweh reaches down to lift the pure into the heaven of blissful peace.

    Oh...and they have bread sticks too.
     
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    He will also become very rich when he publishes his findings and writes his book.
     
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    Wrong. The true believers believed the Scriptures to be infallible. The problem in Christianity are the people undermining the authority of Scripture, not the Christians that believe in the authority of Scripture. Jesus said it. That's the end of it. You believe whatever you want, no problem.
    http://creation.mobi/the-authority-of-scripture
     
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    Another one who ignores all the proven evidence.
     
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    Jesus believed in the authority of Scripture. I'll stick with Him.
     
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    My God's better than your God...
     
  11. Mitt Ryan

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    Well saying things that Scripture doesn't say or twisting, spinning the messages of Scripture to try to discredit it are falsehoods.

    We believers view Scripture as the infallible Word of God so when a critic comes along with the intent of discrediting Scripture we call them out for spewing falsehoods.

    The Bible has many confirmations in sciences such as biology, geology, astronomy, and archaeology. The field of biblical archaeology has absolutely exploded in the last century and a half, during which time hundreds of thousands of artifacts have been discovered.

    Here's an example of a falsehood that was used to discredit the Bible but was shown through archaeological discoveries proving it was indeed a falsehood and that the Bible was not in error in what it said:

    At one time, skeptics used the Bible’s references to the Hittite civilization as "proof" that the Bible was a myth. There was never any such people as the "Hittites," according to the science of the day. However, in 1876, the first of a series of discoveries was made, and now the existence of the ancient Hittite civilization is well documented. Archaeology continues to bolster the Bible’s historicity. As Dr. Henry M. Morris has remarked, "There exists today not one unquestionable find of archaeology that proves the Bible to be in error at any point."
     
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    Like you, Jesus believed what he had been told, just as many Christians. He had been brought up to believe in the Tanakh from the age of 5 and was very conversant with the scriptures by the age of 12 - as were most Jewish boys. Had he known what we know today he would have had a very different attitude. You, and many Christians, and even non Christians cannot understand the Jewish culture of 2000 years ago. Or life in the Middle East 2-3000 years ago. If you could, you, too, would have a different outlook.
    It's sad that people want to cling to impossibilities. Many Christians I know accept the errors etc in the Bible. It doesn't affect their faith or witness.
     
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    Obviously you are misinterpreting what you've read again. Scripture doesn't say that at all. In actuality it is saying if you are wise enough to understand/see the wisdom of God then you will be saved. Using human wisdom leads one to destruction.

    So essentially a person with wisdom (who understands/sees the wisdom of God) is saved a person who is ignorant (who doesn't understand/see the wisdom of God) is doomed.

    You should go back and read that chapter again on the Wisdom of God, maybe if you read it carefully you might understand the message it is trying to convey over to you.
     
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    Actually the discovery of the Hittites rebuts the story of Abraham. Abraham was around 2100/2000 BCEand bought a tomb from the Hittites - who did not appear in the area for another 400 years.

    The Bible tells us that Cyrus the Great was told by Yahweh to let the Hebrews return to their land. However, Cyrus himself tells us himself that Marduk told him to do it. See the Cyrus Stone.

    Archaeology proves that the walls of Jericho collapsed. It had been destroyed many times. As it is in an earthquake area, some of those times were probably caused by these. But the time given does not fit Joshua anyway. Ai was in ruins when Joshua is supposed to have conquered it. Was it another city?

    Archaeology sometimes confirms the Bible, and sometimes contradicts it

    The 5 cities of the Plain were known to the scribes. And they were set as a scene upon which to tell the story of Lot.

    Where is the archaeology to confirm Abraham, Moses, the Exodus. There is none. Not even the exodus of nearly half the population of Egypt. And don't tell me the records were expunged. This sort of Exodus could not be expunged. It would have affected every part of Egyptian economy. Can anyone wipe out the effects Brexit will have on the UK. Could you wipe out the effects that the slaves had on the USA.

    Archaeology confirms many ancient cities, battles and Empires used in the Bible. But nothing about the Patriarchs. Except, of course, the spurious claims of Wyatt and his friends.
     
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    Again, that's your belief. We disagree. I'm staying with Jesus, the word.
     
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    if that is true then who told Him He is the Son of God, of God from Heaven, the Truth the Way and the Life, and that not only did He walk away from the grave but promises to do the same to whom ever believes on Him? where is that scripture or tradition that teaches Jewish children to believe that?
     
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    Where did the Hebrews come from?
     
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    Did you know that Noah is also the name of a woman in the Bible?
     
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    Cool. Did you know that they had Hondas in the Bible?
     
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    It pays to remember that all of the Bible stories illustrate the Ten Commandments in action. The genocide stories illustrate the First Commandment in Exodus 34:11-16 and the first clause in Exodus 34:24 (part of the Seventh Commandment). A lot of the things attributed to Jesus (such as miracles) are based upon Exodus 34:10.
     
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    God's favorite hobby is killing things. A magic number of Christians must be killed before Jesus returns. He will kill everything in Judea. And for his final act he will kill all life on Earth and destroy the planet. He's not a very nice guy.
     
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    Humans always consider the "other" to be evil. We even say so explicitly - "axis of evil", the godless red scare, etc.

    The idea that God would use humans to slaughter other humans as punishment is seriously strange and really not justifiable in NT terms.

    Plus, you keep dodging the fact that the virgin Midianite girls were saved to be handed out as booty.


    If one considers the situation of the Israelites under Joshua and the politics and methods of the day it is far more rational to believe that the Israelites needed to remove the people from a region in order to make room for themselves. That IS why they were there. The people living in the region weren't just going to cede adequate land for them to live on. They demanded their "land of milk and honey" that they believed was promised by God himself.

    Your interpretation of the Biblical story seems to be that the Israelites traveled a large distance in order to punish Jericho for being evil. And, oh by the way, that meant they had a place to live (after some ethnic cleansing of some other cities that surely were "evil" too).

    Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. They needed land. Their genocide at Jericho caused other cities to give up without war. They then claimed the region for themselves.


    It's an ageless story. Today, the Israelis want West Bank, so they are driving out the evil godless farmers living there (whom God wants to punish??), stealing their property, killing them if they raise resistance, cutting off their water, etc.
     
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    Exactly! Good post Inc.! :salute:
     
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    Reading what?
     
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    We are humans, that's all we can have wisdom on.
    Just because some believe in Frosty the snowman, might make them wise on the Frosty story, but it of little relevance to the world.
     
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