Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Prior you have preached "Sola Fide" - stating salvation was by faith alone - that no deeds were required. Now you are singing a different tune claiming salvation depends on deeds to some degree ..and on judgement of those deeds.

You are correct Jolly - this is not consistent . On one side you have salvation based solely on faith .. on the other works/deeds/actions are included .. one's deeds are then judged and on this basis salvation is determined.

Let us not be demonizing others as Satan for having a difference of opinion .. but we should watch out for intentional deceit - playing one side of the fence one day -- standing on the other side the next.

What say you Brother Todd --- Is Salvation on the sole basis of "Faith" - or do actions matter .. and we will be granted salvation - at least in part on the basis of Judgement of our actions as Brother Mitt now suggests No longer playing the Sola Fida Fiddle ?

 

I disagree with the bolded. Looking for points on both sides of issues is the best way to explore them.

 

CONTENT: How Far Back do the Records Go? - 2
Languages - Ancient languages never back beyond c. 3000 B.C., and radiate outward from Mesopotamia
Ancient Historical Records - The oldest dates go back to about 3000 B.C.
The Oldest People - They do not go back before c. 3000 B.C., and were located in Mesopotamia
Conclusion - Man, whom the evolutionists claim to have come into existence over a million years ago, is said to have "stopped evolving" 100,000 years ago. Why then do we not have at least 100,000 years of civilizations, cities, and human remains?

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution Hoax/recorded_history.htm

Sorry trev but when it comes to human recorded history there is no agreement on when it started. There are all sorts of opinions, speculations, guesswork all over the place. So they can't be reliable, and so we just can't be sure. So who knows for sure?... well...only Our Creator Almighty God knows for sure, after all He created the universe and everything else in it to come into existence. So surely He knows when His created humans first recorded anything of significance on His beautifully created green earth.

We Read in Scripture:

The Account of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:1-2 NLT

Ok trev thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

That is not what is meant. It is when someone takes opposing sides of an issue .. for example.

Claiming Salvation is based on "Faith Alone" in one post == then claming "Salvation is based only on works" in the next.

 

You forgot to answer his question instead you chose to go on a personal attack which was obviously biased, mean spirited.

I can honestly profess that I did not see every post of Warren clear as mud, bad skills in communication, really messed up, quite the contrary. He in my view, has no blinders and he sees very clearly in spirit and mind. I mean after all Warren and I are believers in Our Creator Almighty God!

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

Teaching about Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’[a] and hate your enemy. 44 But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! 45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47 If you are kind only to your friends,[c] how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48 NLT

Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Both of you are confused. It appears the Gift has math problems. He says there are at least 3 different Gods in the Bible but yet he mentions 4, all the while claiming they are all different. He also says these Gods while different have some similarities but then none of them remotely resemble the God of Jesus...whoa!...that's a head full of twists & turns to cope with...lol

Then as for you dairy, you respond to the Gift by telling him don't forget the God of the NT but the Gift didn't forget because he does mention Jesus but he does say the "God of Jesus", not knowing that Jesus is part of The Trinity, The Triune, The Father, Son (Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit.

Let me help both of you here. There is only one true God in the Bible that being the Christian God, The Trinity, The Triune, The Father, Son (Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit.
This Christian God, is the God of Creation, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses. the God of all of His created human beings and of course of all other non-human living beings...animals, plant life...etc.

He is The Creator Almighty God!

There is no other God but the Bible does mention these false pagan gods like Molech and Baal to name a few. These gods are false because they don't exist, they only existed in the minds of the people who were worshipping them like the Canaanite people and others oh and of course a few strays from the Israelite people.

Oh and one last thing, the God of the NT is the same God as the OT, this is for you dairy since you were unaware.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

30 “The Father and I are one.” John 10:30 NLT

Well ok dairy & Gift, thanks for your posts, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and correct your errors. Both of you said things that Christians know to be unbiblical, to be falsehoods, just not Christian teachings/understandings/beliefs.

 

only one true God in the Bible that being the Christian God, The Trinity, The Triune, The Father, Son (Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit.
This Christian God, is the God of Creation, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses. the God of all of His created human beings and of course of all other non-human living beings...animals, plant life...etc.

He is The Creator Almighty God!
AMEN! Brother Mitt!

 

This is a faith belief of your religion and it feels almost rude to directly challenge it, other than to say that obviously not everyone believes it. You are welcome to.

 

"The Christian God is the God of Abraham" - Is the God of the Muslims and Jews as well !? a whole lot of folks liked El.

Question though .. What was the purpose of the Male Prostitutes in the Temple of YHWH ?

The Israelites did not think Molech and Baal were False Gods. They Sacrificed children to Molech and to YHWH ... whom-ever they thought would help win the Battle.. YHWH did not always work out so well so they dumped YHWH for other Gods.

You don't know your Bible very well Mitt - even Great King Solomon was sacrificing children to YHWH and the other Gods so that his Kingdom would be blessed.

 

What!? Solomon sacrificed children to Yahweh? Where do you come up with this.. have a private conferenc e with a demon or suptin?

 

Mitt - at least 3 and 4 is mathematically correct - Lets not pretend you have math skills nor pretend you understand the Old Testement Gods or the God of Jesus..

You have yet to come up with the name of the God of Jesus What is with this deception saying these things about my OT accumen.

once again Brother Todd - observe how the web of deception works - the deceiver gets caught in own deception.

Which God did you think King Solomon was sacrificing Children to ? - and for what purpose ? The Floor is yours Brother Todd - Looks like you have some Bible Reading to catch up on... snappy answers to skill testing questions

 

1 true god, but many different man made religions.

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The concept of God in Abrahamic religions is centred on monotheism. The three major monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, alongside the Baháʼí Faith,[1] Samaritanism, Druze, and Rastafari,[1] are all regarded as Abrahamic religions due to their shared worship of the God (referred to as Yahweh in Hebrew and as Allah in Arabic) that these traditions claim revealed himself to Abraham.[1] Abrahamic religions share the same distinguishing features:[2]

• all of them originated from ancient Semitic religions in the geographical region of the Middle East;[2]
• all of their theological traditions are to some extent influenced by the depiction of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible;[2]
• all of them trace their roots to Abraham as a common patriarch.[1][2][3][4]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Abrahamic_religions
  
  
  

 

What are these "Falsehoods" Mitt - why do you accuse me of such deception - yet produce no evidence of this deception because we know who the deceiver is... as does Brother Todd - who is still trying to figure out what Solomon was doing worshiping YHWH's consort.

but it seems You Mitt -- can answer these tough questions .. tell us what Trinity was this YHWH - Asherah .. and who else ? Who is the third member of the Trinity Mitt We have the Son .. we have the Mother .. Might as well invite Daddy to the party .. get out ye old Golden Calf .. the Supreme One is in Town .. Bull El .. God of Abe, Shem and presumably Noah ..

 

It is correct that all 3 worship the God of Abraham .. Not correct however that the the name of this God is YHWH. The God of Abraham and Shem (see Melchizedek) was El - Chief God of the Canaanite Pantheon. While this God is not distinguished from YHWH in english translations rendered "Lord" .. in Hebrew El is mentioned by Name quite a number of times.. Psalm 82 being a good place to Start . El is depicted as head of the divine Council .. YHWH is prosecuting the other "Sons of God" Son's of EL .. the 70 sons of El which is why ther are 70 in the table of Nations .. each son alloted a people .. as per Deut 32:8 .. YHWHs portion being Jacob him being on of El's sons ..

Here is Psalm 82 . make sure to read 82:6 .. the words under the text .. and not the translation on the side .. YHWH addressing the other sons .. referred to as Sons of the Supreme One .. .. which is not YHWH ..
https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa82.pdf


Now if you want Hardcore Scholarship - from "The Journal of Hebrew Scriptures" https://jhsonline.org/index.php/jhs/article/view/11282/8616

 

Were you looking at yourself in the mirror when you first spurted out that statement?...lol...j/k so don't go bursting a nerve...ok.

Sorry dairy but I can't do that because I have never given anyone a very specific date to Moses' birth and death. Obviously what we have here is either you misinterpreted something I said in the past or you are flat out purposely telling a fib. Imo it is probably the former.

Below is a past quote of mine:

Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Why thank me? I'm not condemning anyone to hell let alone you. You believe hell is imaginary well so be it, then you have nothing to worry about.

But I, on the other hand, believe it is real.

So thank yourself, because it's you who is sending yourself there. You've made the free will choice/decision to not believe in Almighty God.

But you still have time to change your choice/decision...don't delay too long...for you never know when that time will come when your days on earth comes to a close.

Repent...ask the Lord to forgive you for your sins. Start your journey into believing so you can be saved. But don't come here and make foolish angry statements directed at me. Like my friend Gift always say...why you shoot the messenger...I'm just saying what's written in the Bible.

Is that sarcasm I'm detecting? Or are you being sincere and really want to be with me forever?...lol

Well if we both continue to stay on our current paths then I can boldly say we won't be spending eternity together in the same place. I'll be heading North while you'll be heading South.

Again...is that sarcasm I'm detecting? Or are you being sincere and really don't want to be with me forever?...lol Can't you make up your mind? Earlier you said you wanted to be with me forever...lol

Ok tecoyah thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Yes it is dairy. It is the sin of blasphemy. But the sin of blasphemy can be forgiven. But the sin of blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven, it is not a pardonable sin. They are not the same, because you can blasphemy but then before you die you convert into believing so your blasphemous sins in the past are forgiven but when you continually blasphemy all the way up to your eventual death and die in unbelief you will not be forgiven because you have committed the sin of blasphemy against the Spirit.

Let me try to be very clear here, because I know how yall are so prone into misinterpreting what you read in Scripture and what you read what others say.

If a person was an unbeliever who said all sorts of derogatory remarks against God, called the Bible a book of myths, fairy tales and lies but then slowly changed his/her attitude towards God/Jesus/Holy Bible to the point that they eventually became Christians, then that person's past blasphemies will be forgiven.

However the only unpardonable sin is a person who continually blasphemied and goes to their death in unbelief. Not believing in God, The Father, Son (Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit is an unpardonable sin.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

8 And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. John 16:8 NLT

Anyone who resists that conviction and who remains unrepentant is to "blaspheme" the Spirit. There is no pardon for a person who rejects the Spirit's promptings to trust in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief.

We Read in Scripture:

36 And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.” John 3:36 NLT

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NLT

Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and I hope you understood clearly my response but if you didn't you know you can give me follow up questions.

 

I can say that because as you read my post I ended it by saying, "IMHO" (In My Humble Opinion). We are all entitled to our humble opinions...aren't we? The people who are expressing what they believe to be the age of the earth is basing their belief off a strict literal interpretation of the Bible but nevertheless they are still expressing an opinion.

Bottom line is that we just can't know for sure how old the earth is never mind the entire kaboodle of the universe itself. So who knows for sure?... well...only Our Creator Almighty God knows for sure, after all He created the universe and everything else in it to come into existence. So surely He knows how old His green earth is.

We Read in Scripture:

The Account of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:1-2 NLT

Ok thanks dairy for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Why you talking behind my back Mitt - is that they teach in in the school of deception ?

"Not condemning anyone to hell" - "Believe and get a free pass through Judgement" Believe what Mitt ? - the words of Idol Martin Luther .. this is not what is written in the Bible .. this is you speaking for God again - substituting man made dogma for what is written in the Bible..

Those who commit the unforgivable sin - do they not condemn themselves ?

You see the deception at work Brother Todd - will not address simple question - twisting and hiding from the Truth - sneaking around whispering the false doctrine of the deceiver Martin Luther .. substituting this for the words of Christ .. usurping the position of the Logos.

Did you find the part where Solomon engaged in child sacrifice - and did you discover the purpose of the Male Temple Prostitutes in the worship of YHWH ? Now these are some tougher questions .. too bad Mitt doesn't want to help answer tough questions anymore - too busy sneaking around .. gossiping behind folks backs - bearing false witness to the Truth and against thy neighbor.

 

Why you feel I talk behind your back...Gift? I laid it out in the open for everyone to read/see what I said which included you, I mean you're here expressing your disapproval so obviously you read what I said and besides I spoke the truth so no deception on my part. So I don't know why you're so upset when truth is being told.

But anyway you have a habit of saying..."why you trying to shoot the messenger...." So I used your line but not in the exact same wording but nevertheless effectively the same general line and I also acknowledged that this line originated from you.

Below is one example:

Says the one who views the Bible as unreliable. Sorry Gift but you can't be taken seriously, you view the Bible as unreliable. You believe the Bible is probably wrong more that it is right. So I guess you think you know which parts are right or wrong...whoa!...such ludicrousness!

My view is completely 180 degrees out of phase with yours, I mean I view the Bible as the inerrant, infallible Word of God. So the Bible is very reliable in my view.

Ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Observe Brother Todd - the deceiver, pretending was not gossiping behind the back ..

What is this pointless ramble .... failing to address any of the tough questions doing some deceitful dance of avoidance

You are welcome to your belief that every word in the Bible is from "G O D" - that the hand of man has not intervened anywhere - that what we read today in any Bible is a perfect translation of the original. The rest of Christianity outside the fundamentalist bubble disagrees...

What does this have to do with your inability to address the parts of the Bible that are Gods word -- running from the teachings of Jesus .. hiding from YHWH .. still unable to come up with - and come to grips with the name of the God of Abraham .. what kind of example does this set ..

Brohter Todd - have you found the passage where Solomon engages in child sacrifice and can you explain the function of the Male Prostitutes in the House of YHWH ? .. Perhaps Brother Mitt can help us .. in our quest for Truth ..

 

Some people spare no effort arguing about something they not believe exists, which is why they say that atheism requires lots of faith.

 

Not believing in an invisible man in the sky does not require any faith whatsoever. Is faith required to not believe in trolls or pixies?

 

Perhaps we find it odd that you would spend so much time denying something you do not think exist. Bet you are a blast around little kids that still beleive in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny

 

It does not require much energy to ask people making supernatural claims to provide empirical evidence that supports their claims.

You reference to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny was perhaps an unintended irony.