Pathologist Speaks Out About Covid Jab Effects

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  1. MuchAdo

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    No, they simply provided you with a mask because you didn’t have one. Duh.
     
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    No you are the one of the millions who only Hear Biden and Fauci and that corrupt gang, You like where the country is NOW???, if you do you are a sad lost soul. .

    And all the deaths since the jabs??? What about all this> I'm sure you will come up with some lame reasons.
     
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    Can you try to get it into your head that not everybody is American on this thread. I have no idea about anything to do with Biden.

    The deaths are related to the virus, not the vaccines. More than six million deaths and you could care less. You just keep making baseless comments. How about you come up with some facts rather than just parroting ignorant facts based on nothing. If you feel justified in doing what you do, then try not to kill somebody along the way.

    Go back and read my post about the virus and masks and rather than being insulting, prove me wrong. If you can’t stop wasting our time with your comments that mean zero.

    You are very good at responding to posts with insults, yet useless at supporting your insults.
     
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    OMG……
     
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    Oh you are so unaware, the virus pushed people who had so many health issues, over the top and many died, how many we'll never know.... And 1000's have died from the jabs....you don't go to that info....
     
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    That’s rich….
     
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    And “critical” thinking minds don’t simply follow what they are told, they question it (period)
     
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    The non critical thinkers believe their Govt Political party cares about them and their health....Dreamers need to wake up.
     
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    What are you talking about? I am very aware the virus had more of an effect on those with health issues and the elderly. What does that have to do with anything unless you are suggesting that because people have health issues, they deserve to be affected more than healthy people. People died from covid, over 6 million, having health issues made them more vulnerable. That’s a fact. They died.

    Thousands have not died from the vaccines, l have researched that, it’s bullshit. Something you won’t research though, is it. Prove me wrong. Prove my comments in my post about masks are wrong. If you can’t, then your stop posting meaningless insults.
     
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    My comments have nothing to do with government or politics. Can you wake up to the facts?
     
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    Everything you belive/think comes from the sick minds of the Radical Left and I believe that is where
    you are -- Very Left.
     
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    No, everything l believe comes from scientific research. Seriously, prove my comments are wrong about how the virus behaves, and how masks can be beneficial rather than making idiotic comments about me. Some of us actually have education related to viruses. My comments have zero to do with politics. Waiting for your proof.
     
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    No they didn’t. Not even close.

    It’s pure SciFi.

    Backed up by the fact that the United Nations and their corrupt proxies in the WHO had ordered all medical facilities and treating physicians to lie on the death certificates with their newly created ICD codes, proves it.

    They simply relabeled all of all those who were dying from the aging and everyday disease process to fudge their FAKE pandemic numbers.

    Who could forget the USN Hospital ships (props) Mercy and Comfort that were parked, and remained empty in the ports of NY and LA that were nothing but a pretty good PSYOPS to further brainwash their rubes.
     
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    Yes, and those foxes——> guarding the chickens says that all the chickens died from CV-19 too.....lol
     
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    What Goat??? The old Goats Fauci and Biden, that's what goats. And throw in Gates, Rockerfellers, Klause Schwabe, Soros...all these Goats,
     
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    yes but I don’t follow any of these goats, they aren’t scientists. My knowledge comes from elsewhere.
     
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    Oh I'd love to hear from where your knowledge comes from, truly I would and I'm sure others would
    love to be enlightened by you also and your knowledge advisors.
     
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    It's possible to check facts or non-facts entirely without using a 'fact checker' site. Unfortunately, for you most of the 'factcheck' sites are not all made up lies.

    First you say -- "There are no REAL stats on anything. We choose to go with the info many of the researchers are coming up with".

    Is this true? Should I take your comment at face value or should I apply some critical thinking?

    First of all, the whole world has been collecting statistics related to Covid from very early on. For example, the UK has collected statistics related to -- number of cases, number of deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR, number of recoveries, number of vaccinations, number of patients admitted to hospital, number of reported positive Lateral Flow Tests, number of positive PCR tests, number of patients on ventilation ... .

    Whether or not our National Health Services missed out on some cases is a moot point. You aren't getting stats from a very small sample, we are talking about millions of people here.

    So according to you, there are no 'REAL' statistics. I would say that's not true. There are very real stats out there related to covid-19.

    You said "We choose to go with the info many of the researchers are coming up with".

    The researchers are not just 'coming up' with information. If you are talking about information related to covid-19. Researchers have been able to take statistics about covid-19 (for example, number of cases, deaths, male vs female, age or whatever it is they are trying to look at) and use their knowledge of statistics to analyze and interpret the data that has been collected about covid and make some kind of statement that is meaningful.


    Whether you like it or not, experts exist and it's not to promote 'worst health'. Are you suggesting that when public health tries to educate people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco, that promotes bad health? Are you suggesting that the safety standards that are put into place to protect workers promotes accidents? Are you suggesting that taking junk food machines out of schools promotes 'worst' health? Is promoting wearing seatbelts, speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free air indoors contributing to 'worst' health?

    There are many fields of public health: first responders, restaurant inspectors, health educators, scientists and researchers, nutritionists, community planners, social workers, epidemiologists, public health physicians, public health nurses, occupational health and safety professionals, public policymakers, and sanitarians. Are you suggesting that all these fields are involved in 'worst health' outcomes?

    Again, with the false statement about all the deaths since the jabs. You are parroting what you have read from sources that are at best pseudoscience and at worst uninformed opinions.

    When I hear things like this. I think about it in terms of could this be true or is it not true. That's where my fact checking starts. Even with robust scientific studies because even scientists get it wrong. I looked at the Pfizer study -- how many people died during the trials. A total of six -- 2 in the vaccine group and 4 in the placebo group. This is out of 43,448 enrolled participants. We have people like Mercola claiming that vaccines kill people from that information. Let's just ignore that 4 people died out of the six that weren't even receiving the vaccines. Let's ignore, that statistically, the number of deaths observed in the vaccine group was within the expected range for the general population, accounting for differences due to age. There was no evidence that the deaths were caused by the vaccine.

    You keep saying how the vaccines have killed thousands. I still have no idea where you are getting that from, it's just not true.

    Statistically, if you vaccinate ten million Americans, thousands will develop a serious illness in the two months after they got their shots and the vaccines have nothing to do with that.

    From statistics based on average risk across the U.S. population -- over two months, statistically out of the ten million, 4,025 will have a heart attack, 3,975 will have a stroke, 9,500 will have a new diagnosis of cancer, 60 will be diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and 14000 will die. People like Mercola and his other buddy's have tried to claim that these deaths/illnesses are from the vaccine without any proof and by not looking at any kind of statistics and so on. They use the VAERS database to try to support their claims but they don't seem to understand that people are going to die after getting the vaccine and it has nothing to do with the vaccine. The VAERS database will include the potentially 14,000 that have died simply because they have been vaccinated not because they died from getting the vaccine.

    If people were dropping dead from the vaccines, then it would be more than a fringe group of anti-vaxxers making this claim.

    Critical thinking involves:
    • Analysing and weighing up arguments
    • Evaluating evidence that has been presented
    • Distinguishing between fact and opinion
    • Reviewing the research methods used (how the data has been gathered)
    • Considering the potential for bias
    • Analysing different interpretations, viewpoints and perspectives
    • Reaching conclusions based on your own reasoning.
    A critical thinker can move beyond their own biased thinking. A critical thinker can look at information that challenges their beliefs and doesn't just stick to one or two sources.

    Mercola has stated that covid-19 deaths have been over-counted because those with underlying illnesses should not be included. Mercola is not a critical thinker.

    It is flawed reasoning to think that people who had health issues died of the health issues rather than covid. It is known which health issues make people more susceptible to severe covid-19. In this list are people with Down's Syndrome, sickle cell disease, kidney disease, asthma, HIV or AIDs, diabetes, obesity , rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease, and cerebral palsy to name a few.

    To apply a bit of critical thinking here, how many of the above mentioned underlying health conditions are actually terminal conditions where the person was imminently expected to die? Why are these conditions listed as risk factors for covid-19 (they weaken a person's resistance to disease)? How many of these people would still be living if they hadn't contracted covid-19. Death certificates list cause of deaths as well as any underlying health conditions a person had. Individuals with comorbidities definitely should be included in covid death statistics. Let's say a person has diabetes, is in their 70's (living a relatively healthy and active life), and contracts covid-19 and ends up on a ventilator with Acute Respiratory Distress Disorder and subsequently dies. It wasn't the diabetes or their age that caused their death, it was the virus that attacked their lungs. The evidence that Mercola used to support his belief was a youtube video. The person who was making the claims on YouTube was basically misreading death certificates (https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...caused-by-covid-19-contrary-claim-jimmy-dore/)

    Generally, if your sources engage in biased thinking, and you don't consider other sources, then you aren't engaging in critical thinking. I would apply some critical thinking prior to accusing people of not engaging in critical thinking.

    I already told you, everything I believe in comes from me using the knowledge I already have, looking at research, looking for other possible reasons for things -- critical thinking.

    Well my knowledge does not come from Doctor Google that's for sure. I use a lot of different sources. I do not get my knowledge from unreferenced blogs or from websites that engage in biased opinions without backing up their statements using reliable sources. I use scholarly databases like Google Scholar and JSTOR -- most articles come from reputable sources and have already been cited by numerous researchers. I also use PLOS ONE, Science Direct, as well as other science/research search engines.

    I also pay attention to where, by who, and when an article is published, is the author experienced in the field they are commenting on or an expert in the field. I look at the accuracy of the information, does the author support their findings using evidence. Is the article biased in any way, is it merely opinion, or is it backed up with factual evidence.

    My base of knowledge comes from University education -- Sciences. I can assure you I didn't learn chemistry, anatomy/physiology, pharmacology, virology, research statistics etc from a bunch of radical lefties. Information came from actual text books and from experts in the field. I have a good basic understanding of science. I couldn't give a rats ass what the government does or doesn't think.
     
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    Oh goody, all your knowledge from the mostly radical LEFT college educators. Good luck with that.

    Obviously you NEVER got involved with the Front Line doctors thru all this covid pile of lies.......A few names: Mikovits, Victory, Norhrup, McCullough, Malone, Zelenko, Madje, Gold, Cole , and many many more......
     
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    ~ The most suspicious occurrence in this " statistical analysis " is the vast difference in USA data and that coming from other countries. It appears the CDC likes to "mix & match" to come up with favorable results of the mRNA shot . :blankstare:?
     
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    OMG Thanks for proving my points for me. Your lack of critical thinking skills are astounding. :applause:

    The goats of the world don’t appreciate your comments.

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    You come across like a very very young kid, and how many of the doctors that I posted about, do you know about, you
    conveniently avoided my post and went to a goat photo, really childish.
     
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    I will address this tomorrow.
    Not avoiding, will show all these doctors are crank’s tomorrow. I am sorry but you insulted goats. Despite your insults, you have proven my points related to bias and lack of critical thinking skills. You can’t seem to defend anything I post and resort to name-calling which really says a lot.
     
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    First of all, can you attempt to explain to me how it is possible to have radical LEFT college educators VS radical RIGHT college educators teaching the sciences. How would that work in chemistry, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology or statistics?

    I have read what the Front Line Doctors have written in articles and managed to watch some of their videos. The problem with them is that they are all promoting pseudoscience and are making ridiculous claims with no actual support. This what I was saying about lack of critical thinking. If you actually bothered to look at other information related to the pandemic, you would start to understand that these people are promoting lies and fake science. Just because they are ‘doctors’ doesn’t mean they are experts in the fields of virology and such.

    For those that are interested:

    Front Line Doctors -- it seems most of them appear a tad mentally ill in terms of delusions, don't possess any real knowledge or credentials related to vaccines and SARS-CoV-2.

    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/c...oscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors

    https://medika.life/exposing-americ...financial-empire-built-on-hydroxychloroquine/

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/90536

    Judy Mikovits -- has more than a few screws loose

    https://factcheck.afp.com/disgraced-us-researcher-makes-false-claims-about-vaccine-safety

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/plandemic-judy-mikovits-covid-19/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7398426/

    https://www.livescience.com/debunking-plandemic-coronavirus-claims.html

    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/8524...e-look-at-the-viral-conspiracy-video-s-claims

    https://www.upworthy.com/that-pland...en-thoroughly-debunked-people-stop-sharing-it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

    Dr Kelly Victory -- total idiot. Argued that quarantining symptomatic people was the way to go for the pandemic while at the same time stating social distancing is useless. She stated that most cases of Covid-19 were asymptomatic, so how would her idea of quarantining work? And she earned a medical degree.

    https://respectfulinsolence.com/202...ading-disinformation-about-covid-19/#comments

    Dr Christine Northrup -- seems to have lost the plot. She believes that AI has somehow been added to the vaccines and the AI will integrate into our DNA and then we will be the property of the patent holders.

    She actually used to be sane, not so much anymore.

    https://www.boomlive.in/fake-news/c...a-5-false-claims-by-christiane-northrup-10651

    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/doctor-carl-sagan-warned-us-about

    https://www.pressherald.com/2021/05/02/meet-christiane-northrup-doctor-of-disinformation/

    Dr Peter McCullough -- another purveyor of pseudoscience and lies

    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/

    https://factcheck.afp.com/us-cardiologist-makes-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccination

    Dr Robert Malone -- exaggerator, spreader of disinformation

    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...an-infamous-spreader-of-covid-disinformation/

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jan/06/who-robert-malone-joe-rogans-guest-was-vaccine-sci/

    Dr Victor Zelenko -- passed on at age 48, pusher of quack covid treatments, false statements about the vaccines

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/46...-theories-anti-vaxx-sentiment-in-viral-video/

    Dr Carrie Madej -- totally has a few screws loose. Has claimed the vaccine contains a sentient deadly parasite that can “multiply and form independent neural networks inside those who have received COVID-19 vaccines and could ultimately influence their thoughts and actions.”

    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/madej-madness

    Dr Simone Gold -- crank and criminal

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...isinformation-medical-license?t=1657376438080

    https://medika.life/simone-gold-and-americas-frontline-con-artists-launch-a-road-trip/

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mation-simone-gold-americas-frontline-doctors

    Dr Ryan Cole -- makes lots of bogus claims

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/s...ess-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/

    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/may/08/taking-covid-19-funds-pathologist-dr-ryan-cole-was/

    And many many more -- like Stella Immanuel -- total nut -- whack-a-doodle. She has claimed that gynaecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. She has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens .

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/stell...-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

    There is a reason I never got 'involved' with any of these so-called Doctors. They are fantasists. They peddle beliefs that they can't support with any real facts. Quite a few of them seem insane. Those of us who are able to use even a small amount of critical thinking can clearly discern this. Now rather than calling me a radical lefty, or childish, why don't you for once, refute what I have said. You can call me names, you can post how you love love love this and that, you can call me a sheep, you can refer to people as whores and old goats, have at it because none of that matters. Can you actually refute that Mikovits didn't make all sorts of bogus claims, or that Stella Immanuel is telling the truth. Please engage in some critical thinking and show us that you have something to say that is relevant.
     
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    She woke up to the facts at least months ago. You should try it.
     

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