Paul Krguman on climate change

ignorance? great then provide the experiment that validates that 120PPM of CO2 drives climate. Heck I've been told there are thousands of experiments that do that, perhaps you could find one of those thousands and supply us with that proof. See they don't exist. So speeches are speeches and facts are unproven. The ignorance comes from the left!

 

Not even 12k. The first thing that the blogger who likes to have himself photosphopped as a Nazi John Cook did was throw out about 2/3 of the papers.

 

No it represents what a group of non expert bloggers said about experts. Remember the first thing they did was throw out the opinion of 2/3 of the experts.

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World wide does matter because what Europe has done to comply with Kyoto is export their emissions to China and India where poor emissions controls have led to even more CO2 emissions.

 

Wow, what a bunch of drivel hyperbole nonsense all that is.

 

I agree everything from the left is nonsense and hyperbole. But alas, just as has been the case in every previous post, you have no validation of 120PPM of CO2 driving climate. So therefore, you're statements are wrong.

 

Where the hell do you get off thinking that you can redefine what appeal to authority is.

A is an authority on a particular topic
A says something about that topic
A is probably correct

You are trying to call appeal to authority appeal to non-authority which is another type of fallacious argument.

 

An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
Person A makes claim C about subject S.
Therefore, C is true.

 

SixNein appears to be practicing the liberal its true because I say it is approach trying to reverse the definition of appeal to authority substituting the definition of appeal to non-authority which is another logical fallacy.

 

I never said world wide does not matter. Krugman was graphing emissions here in this country. That "WAS" the focus of the conversation. Apparently the need to change the subject from Krugmans graph to a world wide graph gives you two an exit strategy from discussing Krugman.

 

just the same old sillliness with no proof and no intentions of providing said proof/ validation.

 

It innately ties into his first paragraph.

 

You mean the graph that shows emissions dropping sharply after 2004 when hydro-fracking allowed the north east to retire much of its coal fired power.



This is a graph of the effect of fracking on the power industry not cap and trade in the north east.The effect is greater in the north east because the north east is more dependent on coal than the west which has always had a higher mix of natural gas and hydro electric. The graph shows no effect from the 2009 cap and trade. If anything the trend that started with the boom in fracking has slowed down.

Krugman is a lying piece of crap trying to trick gullible people and doing a good job of it apparently.

 

Why? Peer review literature has come to the conclusion internationally. It's where the 97% figure comes from.

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The figure is based on peer review literature of experts in the field.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

I see that your quote came from the above source. You should have read the first sentence.

You guys are just demonstrating the point about the toxic mix between ideology and anti-intellectualism.

I provided you with ways in which such an argument can be misused to create a fallacy. You respond by gleaming things off of websites without reading about it.

In fact, if you take time to learn the appeal to authority, you will come to see that many arguments being made by the denailist community is based on a misuse of it.

 

And???

Are you blind? The graph clearly shows the curve starting in both the north east and the rest of the states in 2004 when fraking hit big and tanked the price of natural gas. The effect is greater in the north east because the north east had the biggest change over the natural gas.There is nothing in the graph to show that the 2009 north east cap and trade agreement had any effect. The trend has actual slowed since then.

 

Care to define what the fallacy is? Wiki doesn't someone just inserted it with no support.

 

I have already went over the physics of CO2 with you. You simply deny the evidence, and look for dues ex machina to save your failed arguments.

The physics of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses is clear.

 

you make me laugh!

 

The effect on the chaotic system of the earths climate however is not. We still don't know even if clouds are a positive or negative feedback.

 

I thought were were talking about expert opinion. What does fracking have to do with it?

As far as cap and trade, it was quite successful in reducing cfcs gasses. Many nations around the world used cap and trade as the model to do it. And there has been a global decline in production of these gasses.

We don't currently have cap and trade implemented for greenhouse gasses. So people's graphs on CO2 is irrelevant to the topic.

 

They have both negative and positive feedbacks. They are negative because of their interaction with incoming light. They are also positive because of their interaction with outgoing light.

Maybe you should consider taking a class on the subject at a community college or university. There might also be an online class that you could take for free by one of the major institutions like MIT, Standford, Harvard, etc.

 

And what is the net?

 

Because while you wont believe me my expertise is in power, I am EE by profession. So when I saw that graph all I saw was what I have seen in my professional career since the mid 00s. A change from coal to natural gas do to fracking collapsing the natural gas price.

Nothing in the above graph suggests that the 2009 cap and trade agreement had any effect. The downward trend starts well before 2009 and correlates to the drop on the price for natural gas.

Krugman is a lying sack of crap.

 

Care to cite the cap and trade agreement to me?

 

He's a Keynesian idiot. Idiots influence only fellow idiots.

Worth exactly as much as the one Oblame-a has on his mantle for accomplishing nothing.

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