Regarding Arab Muslim brainwash... Last week I met an Arab ( lives in East Jerusalem ) who told me that in school he learned that only 60000 Jews were killed during WW2 Palestinian Arab Muslim brainwash occurre in class rooms.
If you accept guilt by ethnical association - what can you possibly say on behalf of the Arab refugees ?
It doesnt matter how they called themselves in the past, if they want indipendance today Im willing to support it, I disagree with them on borders mainly. I could be wrong but I think Hbendor is arguying on th enotion that once there was a country called Palestine and the Jews came in and conqured it, that;s not true, after the Ottomans and during the mandate Jews and Arabs shared living space, it was all "Palestine mandate land", when war broke there was no agreement on the land even upon the cease fire. the WB is considered "Palestinian teritory" because mainly Arab Palestinan lived there not because of an agreement because there was none and not because 181 that was rejected. I disagree on borders because we dont live in 1948 any more and not in 1967, reality changed and so should Palestinian hopes IMO.
There is nothing to argue here, Arabs are indigenous to Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunis, Libya, Algeria etc., These countries didn't have a Mandatory powers governing them. Except of course the Mandate for Mesopotamia (Iraq)...
1) How many fled and how many were expelled? In other words, how many were actually thrown out by the Arabs? The difference is important. 2) Of those who "fled" how many in fact chose to emigrate to the new Jewish state of Israel? The difference between fleeing and choosing to leave is important 3) Of those who chose to leave, how many did so as the result of the actions of Israeli agents in those Arab countries. 4) Of those who chose to leave how many made that decision after the debacle of the Palestinian Nakba had long-started? 5) And how many of them in fact departed many years AFTER the ethnic cleansing of the Arab Palestinians from Palestine /Israel? Now I repeat, how many Jews in Arab countries were actually evicted, and how many chose not to continue to live in the diaspora? I put it to you that the two ases are utterly different .... and I can prove it. If you are not inclined to lift your veil of "blurriness", I would be quite happy to do so with some real, verifiable and referenced historical facts. Because you lump them all together as if it were one big Arab expulsion of Jews as a result of slaughters or physical ejection .... and then based on this deliberately blurry lack of distinction, you claim: "See, the same thing happened to the Jews as to the Palestinians. Why is the world complaining?"
I know. Annoying, isn't it. It gets my goat when obvious historical events are mangled. Take the following case which Fallen picked apart: Interesting, Fallen. Nothing like what those references were meant to show. As Erskine Childers advised in 1961 - "Always check Zionist claims as to the facts". It is interesting to note how almost invariably the Zionist apologists describe the departure of Jews from Arab countries as "expulsion". Take the case of the Jews of Algeria. Members such as mikejones and MGB Roadster make out that they were expelled as some sort of equivalence to what happened to the Palestinians in 1948. But this turns out to be as hollow as a soap bubble when one bothers to examine the REAL facts: 1) Most of the Palestinians had been ethnically cleansed from Israel by mid-1948. In Algeria the big exodus only occurred in 1961. 2) During the 1961 exodus, there was nothing special about the Jewish departure, just as in the 1954 hostilities. They were just a sector of the "pied noirs"; they were French. And in 1962 they formed part of the French exodus, and they went, not dominantly to Israel, but to France. Michael Laskier, the expert on Algerian Jews, writes: "It was agreed that in light of the deteriorating conditions of the North African Jewish populations, especially in Algeria where a bloody civil war against French rule victimized the Jews as it did the Muslims and European settlers ...." 3) Remember that before that, Algerian Muslims had protected the Jews during the WW2 Vichy regime. Not exactly what the "Jews were expelled" protagonists want to hear .... so, of course, they never mention it. It is called "cherry picking", a very low form of debate. 4) All of the above is confirmed 100% by Heim F. Giuzeli in his "The Jewish Community of Oran, Algeria" But it is Sarah Abrevaya Stein, in her "Algerias Jewish Past-Present" - Sep 11 2014, who most clinically refutes the "Palestinian refugees from Israel equate to Jewish refugees from Arab lands" hasbara, especially regarding Algeria, when she writes: "As the Algerian war unfolded, Israel encouraged Algerian Jews in the belief that their true home was Israel. In this use of history Israel largely failed, as the vast majority of Jews left Algeria for France, a choice some in Israel received as betrayal. This history renders it all the more ironic that the Algerian Jewish diaspora is held accountable for Israels excesses [i.e. that it justifies the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians]. And yet the leitmotif endures: in Algeria, as elsewhere, the North African Jewish past is buffeted by the opposing tides of local, national, and global politics, all of which push and pull this history to their own symbolic ends." So Algeria was a big FAIL in mikejones and MGB Roadster's 'symbolic' attempt to equate the fate of the Algerian Jews with that of the Palestinians. Thank you for that synthesis
Have you ever been honest? 1920 But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers. It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country. http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm
This is one off the key principles of Zionist supremacy, acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews. and the other being Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them. http://mondoweiss.net/2016/03/israe...il&utm_term=0_b86bace129-11cd457c90-398529965
This is a worthless piece of trash... How many of these and how many of those... When you are not wanted, your bank account is frozen, your Real Estate is yanked from under you, your wives and daughters are sexually harassed... your kids are thrown out of school, you are thrown out of your job, in other words this a choice or a concentration camp i.e. Egypt... or leave your belongings here before we use force on you... same decadent, defamation, slander from other Arab countries... Where are the Jews of Syria Pray tell?Lebanon? Iraq? Yemen? Egypt? Libya? Tunis? Algeria et all... May be you would like to trash this one also?
You are speaking of dishonest Jews??????????????? Well you should know better <LYING> is not a sin in Islam....!
FYI Half of Israel is made out of Jews of the Arab countries... they are approximately less than 4 Millions Jews today after 65 years in Israel natural growth et al Yes it is true that some went to France and Brazil and many left for Israel... Would you like to trash this one also?
Population of Palestine July 1920 But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers. It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country. http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm
How is a political relevance, belief match you thinking wave... Does its match the ....Saudi sword beheading? Does it match ISIS decapitation of Christians, does it match the complete ruination of Iraq and Syria for the next one hundred years of rebuilding? Bolsheviks in all their history of carnage cannot even come close to 1/2% of what the Arabs have done!
And Zionists are so bright they force themselves down in the middle of them, take their lands and demonize them.
The Arab squatters were NEVER owners of Land... They were imported Peasants by the Turks to work the effendi's parcels... Most of the Land was owned by four or five families living abroad that sold to the Jews... I suggest you keep writing your lizard cook books (please do not leave your kitchen unattended the pots might boil over)...
If you choose not to call the Palestinians, that is your personal prejudice. But those people or their forefathers WERE 'on the land' just as they were when Abram arrived. And Zionists stole their land and then expelled them or put the fear of God into them so that they fled. Shame on you for trying to gild a turd. - - - Updated - - - Strawman deflection. Typical. The counting starts.
ANOTHER VIDEO FROM A WOMAN WHO LEFT EGYPT (If the need is to be up to date with Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries) A glimpse into the culture I grew up with My Aunt at 93 is the national treasure of the Jewish Egyptian community of Brooklyn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuqf5J0pXns
Yeh. That was before I realists that the "expulsion of jew" is irrelevant because the Palestinians (who are farmers and herders living in palestine) have done nothing to the jews. They want to excuse their atrocities by blaming the Palestiniansame for something that happened hundreds of years ago. They can blame Babylonian empire. They can blame the Byzantine empire. They can blame the The Ottoman empire. They can blame the Persian empire. But they can't blame the Palestinians who inhabit the land. Many of them were probably decedents of jews who converted to Islam. But this is like all Zions apologist argument. Completely irrelivan, baseless, and in a different scope of reality. What is troubling that zionist try to equate zionisim to Jewery. So that they can call anyone an antisemitism who speaks against them. Well we know that the founder of zionists was an eti semite journalist who even hitler quoted. Something about how the Jews control everything. zionist instigated the Holocaust. Had many oportunities to save the jews of europe. But they did not. Something about a cattle being worth more in Palestine. They also cooperated with the Natzis. Zionist don't follow the Torah. They commit blasphemy against their own supposed religion by being in Israel when their God forbade them and by establishing Israel before their Messiah. Zionist have high jacked the Jewish religion. And they now try to label anyone jewelry hater or antisemite for speaking against Zionsm: not jews.
The word <Palestinian> was coined in 1964 by Arafat at the behest of Abdel Nasser! - Before that from 1917 - 1947 was the British mandatory Power in control... and before that the Ottoman Empire for 400 years from 1517 - 1917... were do you get the notion of a Palestinian People? Can you read and digest history? You have been trashed on the same subject umpteen times in the past few years.
No you have been trashed on the subject. What you seam unable to comprehend is that Palestinians came from Zionism, Zionists took the land from the people who were living there, those people call themselves Palestinians now because they lived within Palestine when the Zionists took over the land. When they called themselves Palestinians is irrelevant the important point is why? And the answer is simple, Zionists took their land from them.
