Pelosi lodging threats?

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It doesn't excuse them from their own corrupt actions.

    For those who actually do like the Constitution, it is blatantly clear that the House Democrats have stomped all over the Constitution by their actions.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is pretty much what happened to Lincoln.

    The Dems lost in 1860.

    Lost again in 1864 and then took out Lincoln.
     
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    they are both part of the same deal, Trump was using the funds to help strong arm them into doing him a favor
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then the Senate will find him innocent because there is no evidence to support the claim.
     
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    Mad?

    Hardly.

    Amused is more like it. The Democrats railroaded the impeachment hearings to suit them, so watching them whine and bitch and piss and moan about anything the Republicans are going to do is funny...
     
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    That is absolutely false.

    As far as Zelensky knew, the status of the intended aid was never in question. Therefore, there could've been no strong-arming...
     
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    Lincoln was a liberal. In his days the Democratic Party was packed full of Southern racists and their sympathizers.
     
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    Trump was impeached for soliciting. Zelensky’s reaction is immaterial. Read the first article of impeachment.
     
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    The House for years, not just months, has been trying to overthrow a president and destroy our constitutional republic. Seems like the Senate -- and millions of others -- have much to bitch about.
     
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    You seem to favor a totalitarian state. If the President refused to leave, under the Constitution, the new President (in this case Pence) could have him arrested and prosecuted, because the old President would no longer be President and hence subject to arrest and prosecution. And, if the Court overruled the DoJ policy and if U.S. Attorneys failed to follow the Court's ruling, they to would become subject to impeachment and removal. Neither you or I determine what is a "high crime and misdemeanor" (other than for discussion purposes). The House does that. That's what "sole power" means. Yes, I am aware that the OLC is not a single person, but a department of the DoJ. I assume the AG could overrule the OLC if it was desirable...just as the President could fire the AG. Feel free to check the record, but I believe the current policy was written by a member of the OLC under the Clinton administration and that that person is now on the Federal bench.
     
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    I abhor totalitarianism and am certainly not proposing a removed president refuse to leave; I was just citing that as an example of what might happen. If a removed president refused to leave that would be an egregious violation of the Constitution, much like the current impeachment is. The House does not have unilateral and unfettered authority to decide at their whim what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors, at least constitutionally. The rub is that there is no way to check or stop an unconstitutional House impeachment. The OLC makes legal opinions developed by a number of top notch legal minds in the DOJ. However the 2000 OLC Opinion was signed by one person, the Assistant AG, Mr. Moss, who did as you say later became a District Judge. The AG cannot overrule an OLC Opinion as such because it is just advising. An AG could ask for a rewrite though.
     
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    You seem to have trouble grasping the phrase "sole power." The House has sole power on impeachment. The Senate has sole power on trying impeachment. What is it you don't understand about that?
     
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    yeah right, that is absolutely false and everyone knows it

    not to mention the meeting Trump promised him that was sense canceled after Trump was snitched on
     
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    No, only people who have hated Trump since day 1 "know" it..
     
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    Do you libs just make this nonsense up as you go along?

    He was not solicited for "soliciting".

    That's just preposterous...
     
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    Sole power means the House alone can impeach and the Senate alone can try an impeachment. It does not mean they can do whatever they want, constitutionally.
     
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    Yeah, mostly they do just that!
     
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    Pretty much...if they have the votes. It's called a "republic." The House represents "the people."
     
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    I'm sure all those conservative comedians and leftist are real impressed by your evaluation ;) And I promise you conservative, liberal, great or not, they live far larger then you ;)
     
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    Have you not read the articles of impeachment?

    And I quote, “Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.”

    It was the soliciting that got Trump impeached. The same narrative was quite apparent in the testimony in the impeachment hearings.
     
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    They like to perceive everyone "Mad", because everyone in their circles are always mad, it's the norm for them and they think it's the norm for all others :) ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Always! Proof is on display here day after day, sad really :( ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    It sure sounds like Pelosi is trying to affect the outcome of this presidential election to me.
     
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    I’m sure that psychologists have a term for these kinds of responses.
     
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    You really don't know anything about the Clinton impeachment, or you are just trolling
     
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