People's feelings vs. Truth

Is freedom of speech being eradicated slowly because of people's feelings and political ideological agendas over someone who is exposing any truth?

Do people's feelings trump the truth?

As there have been many instances on varying platforms that limit if not stop the expression of truth because of platform rules and terms of service conditions violated (ie, YouTube).

Where does society go from here if the truth is the target, something sensitive people have trouble dealing with, so they shut down anyone that they may consider offensive because of their content?

 

“In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.”
G. Orwell

“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.”
G. Orwell

“It is very dangerous to be right when those in power are wrong.”
F. Voltaire

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion."
N. Chomsky


“Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy."
G. Orwell

 

Hi, UntilNextTime,

I have over a number of years posted many truths -- that is, verifiable facts -- without incident. I cannot recall a post of mine being taken down by an administrator because of content.

The truths that I publish differ from conspiracy theories which purport to expose 'the truth'. Those 'truths' range from dangerous to risible. They are usually easily identified, however.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n don't take any wooden nickels.

 

The issue is people’s idea of what truth is vary so drastically.

How do you negotiate with one group that believes law and rules are created by a supernatural being or the other group that believes their personal feelings should overrule everything even common sense?

That’s pretty much the right / left divide we see in this nation. The issue is one side that is the moderate position while the other it is the extreme position.

 

Funny how you ASSume that I refer to posts on this forum.

What about situations such as transgenderism, where these people state we need to use their pronouns and identify them as they identify themselves, for an example. Some people may not agree with them so their feelings get bruised as they've been given some facts. Or that anything that may point out facts that may implicate an individual or group gets suppressed.

However, it's not surprising for those who state their 2 cents worth of wooden coins when they play Simon says. Challenged anything or anyone lately?

 

Hi again, UntilNextTime.

Two comments.

First, I've re-read my post and find nothing in it which restricts it to this particular forum.

Next, with regard to pronouns: a secular humanist, my concern is with us, h. sapiens. I try my best to treat all as fellow human beings, worthy of respect. [Ed.: This does not mean that Ol' Torus accepts certain acts of individuals.] If a person is more comfortable with a specific pronoun set, I'll certainly use them when appropriate. It's just courtesy, nothing more.

As to challenging, I seek truth, not confrontation. In discussions, I try not to rile anyone. I do not engage in discussions at length with those intent on 'winning'.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

Back pedaling, ok.

Is that to appease or to play along with?

Non-confrontational? Going in for the jugular stating "conspiracy theories", referencing this forum, and administrative actions hardly come off as the opening question on this line of text. Contradictions.
What specific conspiracy theory are you pinning on me?

 

For the most part, most of us can't really post how we really feel because the post will be taken down to the mods for rules violations, truth or not.

The other question is how do you know it is the truth. Truth is relative for the most part.

 

How much do you use and trust your intuition, if it's developed in you? This is what is used by me to lock it in after some research of whatever.

 

Depends on the situation. But I trust my past experience which incorporates my intuition from the profession I used to do for a living. And that also incorporates in how I interact with people sometimes on a personal level, if they are lying to me. But that would depend on facts and circumstances to boot on what is going on and where I am at.

 

Ditto, in addition, mine is on steroids, it's always working for every circumstance and situation. I can pick up on cues from people when I talk to them or listening to them on tv etc, whether they're genuine or full of it. The last three years were a ripper, as my BS detector was on overload.

 

Well you can't say sexist things, bxxxxes hate that. -

I think there have always been social boundaries in speaking. But some people are trying to change definitions to make offensive things that are benign. If the words are wrong the speaker is guilty of wrong-think.

 

Does my bum look big in this? Do you answer honestly, or tell her what she wants to hear?

BTW, welcome.

 

Thanks for the welcome, UntilNextTime.

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The first example I can think of off-hand has to do with race, any race hustlers present can stuff it.

You can't say negro anymore. Why not?

Negro is the correct scientific term for blacks just as Caucasian is the scientifically correct term for white folk. But people say Caucasian all the time, no big deal. Say "negro" though, and get ready for some race hustler to tell you what you can't say.

 

No problems.

Would you say political correctness has a lot to do with it?

 

Yes, political correctness if that's what you want to call it.

A lot of people these days seem to think they have the right to not be offended. But getting offended is a choice made by the person that becomes offended. I can't "make" another person take offense any more than you can "make" me take offense. Sure I can say stuff in an intentional effort to piss a person off, but the behavior of them getting pissed off is not my responsibility. Not that I wouldn't be culpable for my actions, but I will never be culpable for someone else's actions- unless I commit fraud but that's a different subject.

Words are the tools we use to think and to express thoughts. Taking away vocabulary is a fine method to limit thought.

 

Indeed. As some think words are a form of violence, but who creates that violence, those who think that words are. Just like telling someone the truth. If it's not accepted they'll get their undies in a bunch.

Exactly. So why do people have tanties over words, is it because of the lack of self-control and or intellect?

 

The OP question is a bit of a chin scratcher.

Do people's feelings in fact matter more than the truth being told, or is that just the way we like to perceive it, or is that what liars say... ?

My crystal ball is showing five people that might not have a firm grip on "the truth".

 

Some people's feelings matter more than the truth being told on this forum from experience.

 

I don't think it has to do with intellect, it might have to do with self control.

Everybody these days is very concerned with expressing their feelings. Most of the time people give little thought as to why they have those feelings or what they hope to accomplish with an emotional response. I do it too.

 

If you were conned on an epic scale, wouldn't that have something to do with intellect, when you understand the characteristics between intellect and not so, there is a huge difference in the way they respond to things, in this case, the truth being told, their self-control wanes?

 

I don't understand the question and I gotta go but I'll be back.

Time for me to go to work, there are fish that need catching. Until next time UntilNextTime.

 

Hi again, UntilNextTime.

As I've noted in my posts, I wish to learn things about issues through my conversations on forums such as this one. Your conversational style doesn't lend itself to this. I'll seek elsewhere.

Best wishes to you and yours.

 

Feelings ALWAYS trump the truth, for EVERYONE. The reality is that the actual truth is so depressing that humans cannot handle it, or they would lose the desire to live. The reality is that the universe does not care one bit about our feelings, since we are just a tiny cog in the big machine to create more entropy, where death is a certainty, even for the whole universe. Humans just distract themselves from the realization of this bleak reality, by eating, working, shopping, procreating... and bantering about our least favorite politicians. Anyone who thinks that they act based on the truth rather than feelings is just deluding themselves.

 

Private entities are not subject to first amendment. Therefore no one is losing freedom of speech.