Pew first: Gun rights top gun control in major public opinion shift

Who shot anyone over the 2nd Amendment?

 

Not the issue, the issue is terrorism over the 2nd Amendment.

 

No that is what you claimed back tracking already?

 

You do know you have the ability to quote right, so why didn't you? Oh, that's right, because I never said that, I said terrorism, not shooting anyone over the 2nd Amendment. So, please, quote exactly the post where I specifically said shoot.

Don't twist my words, or put words in my mouth to try and discredit me. I know it's a popular FOX News tactic, but we can all go through this thread and see the truth.

And the truth is that Timothy McVeigh IS a Martyr for the pro 2nd Amendment cause.

But, if you insist on someone actually using a gun in an act of terrorism, there is the Chapel Hill case that I did cite earlier on that you all completely glossed over.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...-carolina-shooters-creed-was-second-amendment

But he was just as passionate about personal freedom and liberty - championing an individual's right to worship or not worship, legal abortion and gay marriage and, perhaps most fervently, the right to own and bear arms. If he has a creed, it's the Second Amendment.

"I guess after the horrible tragedy early this week in Arizona, all Glock pistols will officially be labeled `assault weapons,'" he wrote following the January 2011 assassination attempt on U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. "While I never cared for Glocks personally, it stinks that anyone would blame a firearm rather than the operator of such firearm for such a terrible act. I think I'll start blaming McDonalds for my weight problem, Christianity for the Ku Klux Klan, and Islam for terrorism."

One post included a photo of a revolver and the warning: "If you are anti-gun, defriend me NOW!!!"

- See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...eed-was-second-amendment#sthash.XxvFcmio.dpuf

 

I dont watch Fox news your Democrat Underground spoon fed bull(*)(*)(*)(*) wont work with me.



McVeigh had nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment...

Hicks's alleged murderous motivation appears to have had nothing directly to do with religion, but instead is said to have involved "a dispute over parking spaces at the condo community where Hicks and two of the victims lived. - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...eed-was-second-amendment#sthash.Dsy7ClsV.dpuf

But he was just as passionate about personal freedom and liberty - championing an individual's right to worship or not worship, legal abortion and gay marriage and, perhaps most fervently, the right to own and bear arms. If he has a creed, it's the Second Amendment. - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...eed-was-second-amendment#sthash.ILFXWgJP.dpuf

Notice the word perhaps.. Its their OPINION he valued the 2nd over anything else.

So you STILL have yet to display any "terrorism" over the 2nd Amendment.. Why do you hate Constitutional freedoms so badly?

 

What, like the last two elections?

 

Then your blinders are full on.

I don't hate Constitutional freedoms. I hate terrorist thugs bullying the population. I have no fear of your >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<< ilk, nor do I have any fear of gun toting lunatics prattling on about the 2nd Amendment.

I think guns are fine, they just need to be kept out of the hands of the criminally insane that kill or threaten the people of the United States unless they get their way.

And I sure as hell won't be cowed by a bunch of Anti American thugs that threaten EVERYONE's freedoms so they can have a gun.

I've shown TWO cases of pro 2nd Amendment terrorists. McVeigh's actions were because of the ATF raid at Waco trying to serve a legal warrant on a bunch of religious gun nuts. >>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<
and this:

"I guess after the horrible tragedy early this week in Arizona, all Glock pistols will officially be labeled `assault weapons,'" he wrote following the January 2011 assassination attempt on U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. "While I never cared for Glocks personally, it stinks that anyone would blame a firearm rather than the operator of such firearm for such a terrible act. I think I'll start blaming McDonalds for my weight problem, Christianity for the Ku Klux Klan, and Islam for terrorism."

One post included a photo of a revolver and the warning: "If you are anti-gun, defriend me NOW!!!"

Puts that terrorist squarely in your camp as well, these are his own words taken off of his facebook page.

Deny it all you want to, but the above isn't an opinion, it's the killers own words.

 

But hey, you want more Anti Government gun crazy terrorists? I got a couple for you, and when I say couple, I mean a married couple.

[video=youtube;kC95DOBrqYo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC95DOBrqYo[/video]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ve...thers-killed-las-vegas-shooting-spree-n125766

A Las Vegas couple who shot to death two police officers, a civilian and themselves delivered an ominous message before they left home with a shopping cart of weapons to carry out the anti-government ambush, a neighbor said.

"We gotta do what we gotta do," Jerad Miller told Kelly Fielder, adding that he and his wife, Amanda, were departing for an "underground world."

Amanda Miller then embraced the neighbor and said, "I am so sorry."

Authorities said they believe the Millers were acting alone but they espoused an "anti-government, anti-police" ideology with militia and white supremacist overtones.

Oh it gets better

Less than six hours later, the couple barged into CiCi's Pizza a few miles away, yelled &#8220;This is the start of a revolution!&#8221; and started firing, witnesses told police.

The officers, Alyn Beck, 42, and Igor Soldo, 32, were inside having lunch, and both were mortally wounded, Sheriff Doug Gillespie said.

Authorities said the suspects stripped the dead officers of their weapons and ammunition.

They covered one with a swastika and the Revolutionary War-era Gadsden flag, which depicts a coiled snake and the words &#8220;Don&#8217;t Tread On Me.&#8221; On the other officer was a note that said, "The revolution is beginning."

You know what a Gladsden flag is right? Oh of course you do:



There's a couple more terrorists for your camp.

 

The only terrorists are progressives trying to take away our rights.

 

Oh, how about 2nd Amendment terrorist training camps? Lots of those across the country.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/08/28/15416/fearing-second-amendment-militia-groups-grow-number

“My kids hate it, my ex-wife hates it, my now ex-girlfriend hates it. Everybody in my personal life pretty much hates it, because it consumes all my time,” Mitchell said. “It's what I live to do. I'm one of those ‘all or nothing’ kind of guys, and I've put it all in this.”

“If you want to get technical about it, every gun law on the books is unconstitutional. I'm not saying give lunatics guns. There have to be limits. Anybody with common sense knows that,” Mitchell said. “The problem is, the more you let them infringe on your right, the more they're going to. I'm not willing to let them have any of mine.”

Charles Heller is the co-founder of the Arizona Citizens Defense League and spokesman for Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, a national organization that aims to “destroy gun control.”

I mean LOTS of 2nd Amendment terrorist training camps:

http://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/active_patriot_groups.pdf

 

No one is trying to take away your rights. Psychotic levels of paranoia and firearms don't mix.

 

Defending the constitution is so passé for progressives, in fact it must be hysterically opposed. Oppression of the public is a must to make progressives feel safe.

 

There is nothing wrong with what he said and neither crime had anything to do with the 2nd Amendment.. Call me a terrorist again and i will report you straight to the Admin. I am tired of it.

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What makes them "terrorists" and what act of "terror" have they commited?

 

I don't think you will find anywhere in any of my posts where I specifically called YOU out and said YOU were a terrorist. But there are terrorists in the pro 2nd Amendment camp, that is for sure.

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The only oppression that is happening is from the pro 2nd Amendment crowd to stop any and all debate on the subject of gun control.

 

Your ilk? People in YOUR camp? Come on now. Dont think you are clever with your personal attacks.

We have plenty of debate with gun control. Adults can discuss it without calling people terrorists. Try it.

 

Why? Liberals are called terrorists on this site all the time. We seem to respect your Constitutionally protected right to freedom of speech, but when I call out people that are on your side of the debate, (not you specifically), but people that are on your side of the debate terrorists, you get personally offended.

Militia groups are terrorist cells in my opinion, the only reason that this country doesn't go completely ape(*)(*)(*)(*) over them is because they aren't Muslim. If a Muslim Militia group formed all hell would break loose till every member was rounded up by the FBI and shipped to GITMO.

And yes, adults can have debates about gun control, unfortunately no 2nd Amendment supporters seem to want to debate the issue as adults instead they appear to just stick their fingers in their ears and shout the last half of the 2nd Amendment till our side just gives up and walks away and then the 2nd Amendment supporters call that a victory.

 

Find me calling any one on the left a terrorist... Go ahead. Use that search engine and knock yourself out.

Militia groups are not terrorists by any definition.

The 2nd Amendment is clear as day and the USSC clarified that. Its hear to stay.

 

You cheapen the definition of what terrorism truly is, by applying to those who hold political views you do not support.

What will be next? People who mow their yard in a manner you find counter-intuitive will also be regarded as terrorists?

 

Do you actually believe there are large numbers of those kinds of folks, large enough in numbers to influence national perception on guns? And that national perception would follow that kind of extremism? Or did you word it that way for dramatic effect?

Gun owners aren't terrorists, nor are they looking to overthrown anything. Extremists exist on all sides of issues.

 

Yes, I understand that. The debate isn't trying to take all guns away, it's trying to get the guns out of the hands of crazy people who want to do harm to the people of this great nation.

When a group's sole function is to arm, and train themselves to attack and kill US Citizens (yes, politicians are US Citizens, the government is made up of US Citizens) that's training for terrorism.

Conceptually, a citizen's militia has been defined as a constitutionalist private army meeting regularly to practice combat skills and discuss weapons. The militia is defined as social groups practice "skills within a distinct territory, are not always anti-government, and have some opinions regarding use of terrorism to further militia goals." It may have an offensive, paramilitary, and/or defensive orientation depending on circumstances.[8]

Operational features listed in the book "Militias at the Millennium" include.:[9]

1.Training in combat scenarios and weaponry skills in mock actions and maneuvers.
2.Has an identifiable territory in which members reside.
3.Bases organization philosophies on anti-government rhetoric.
4.Development of contingency plans in case of governmental provocation.
5.Considers bombing, kidnappings, separatism, "paper terrorism", or other extreme measures to protect the organic Constitution.
6.Considers the viability of criminal activity to acquire weapons and explosives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_militia_movement

The problem with militias, is they aren't constitutional, not in their current form. The reason? They forget about Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution.

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Now, as people have correctly pointed out, possessing a firearm is independent of the Militia, but when you call yourself a Constitutional Militia, and are apparently exercising your rights under the Constitution, standing off against the very government that Constitution creates (like in the case with the whole Cliven Bundy incident) puts that movement squarely in the terrorist pile.

 

good news, gun ownership is a "right", not a privilege that can be taken away

some are learning that when we take "rights" away from others, someday it may no longer be a "right" for ourselves

when you turn a right into privilege, it is no longer a right

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Actually no it doesnt.. Militias are not Terrorists.....

 

Thanks for making my point.

 

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ing=&URL=0200-0299/0250/Sections/0250.02.html

You are welcome.

 

Can you show me the difference?

[video=youtube;Apmn9xMxiZ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apmn9xMxiZ4[/video]

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Not seeing a whole heck of a lot of difference here.