Phil is Back On

I think most intelligent people realize that most of these 'reality' shows include a whole cadre of video and sound people. I mean who do they think is videoing this stuff? I find it hilarious that most of these 'ghost' reality shows are always videoed in the dark too. Why? Do ghosts somehow dematerialize during the day? LOL

That being said, the controversy does not revolve around the relative 'reality' of the show but the statements made by one of the stars of the show off camera and on his own time which reflected his personal moral views toward homosexuality. The fact that he disagrees with homosexuality has caused gay activists to go into a tizzy.

 

I think we do too. The only difference I see is that Bashir made his comments on air as a representative of MSNBC, while Robertson made his in an outside interview. If MSNBC doesn't want to be associated with those views, they certainly have more ground to fire Bashir than A&E does Robertson.

 

Nope, no stereotypes. I read some of your posts and formed an opinion. If you think I'm wrong you can tell me and I'll listen.

I'll also take this time to add hypocrisy to the list. I see you up in another post talking about "rights" yet clearly you don't support one of the most basic of rights we're guaranteed. Which of course I understand, as liberals attach the caveat "as long as we agree with it" to the right of free speech condition.

 

Well, no - a person can't be converted to something that goes against their nature... that's stupid thinking.

I don't like the 'San Francisco' type of homosexuality. Guys running around w/pink boas wrapped around their necks, wearing fig leafs, wearing make-up, etc., and always making a big production out of their sexuality.... who cares?! My gawd! Put on your clothes and keep your personal sex business to yourself. Those are the ones who have made life miserable for the gays who just want to live quietly w/the person of their choice and keep their personal business to themselves......

Kevin, the gay teen I was talking about was a very polite, well-mannered and respectful young man. He didn't even act effeminate - just an ordinary young dude.... who happened to like guys.

Kevin graduated from HS, moved to Portland, got in w/the gay crowd and within 6-8 yrs died from AIDS......

And I have another friend who's straight son was suddenly left widowed and left w/a baby son. A yr later Don started dating w/a vengeance, one night picked up the wrong bed partner and died from AIDS......

Life can be a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)........

 

When did rape become consensual?

 

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The guy is free to say what ever he wants, and I can respond in any way I like. Sort of like how I can say whatever I want, but by your logic you can't say anything negative in response. Sort of like how conservatives starting burning Dixie Chick CD's because the vocalist said something bad about an idiot president. Or like how gun magazines and sponsors dropped Zumbo after his remarks about the AR-15. Yes, the right wing is obviously the savoir of free speech.

>>>Insults removed<<<

 

So, one consents to being homosexual? I thought they had no choice because it is a 'normal' human condition. Looks like you and Phil have something in common here in believing homosexuality is a choice however, in Phil's opinion, a bad choice.

 

What are you talking about? Never said anything about someone 'consenting' or 'choosing' to be gay..... I had said all along I don't believe it's a 'choice'.........

 

He's creating a strawman. He knows what you meant.

 

Yes, 1 consents to be homosexual. Just like you consent to be hetero. Using your misuse of the word.
I'm guessing that will really confuse some.

 

Perhaps if you showed the actual quotes in context your answer would be clear.

 

"Asking" someone who is gay is not very scientific. It is quite silly to even suggest such a silly thing.

 

You are failing big time. It isn't that there is a reason to be against gays it is just there is no reason to support them. I don't see any reason to by into the myths that gay supporters spew.

 

I stopped reading when you claimed that homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. That is not a proven fact so when you need to resort to myths your desperation causes you to make ridiculous statements. I don't believe in fairy tales and I don't base my beliefs on them.

 

Hey! Whatever makes you happy, dude.... doesn't matter to me. I had posted about neighbor friends having 4 sons and 1 was gay and that's not a fairy tale. If you can't stop and think about it and ask a logical question about how could one be born gay and the other 3 are straight and he had the same parents, same homelife, same family values, same everything as his brothers....... well then you don't want to think about it.

I had heard/read dozens of times that homosexuality goes back to the beginning of time. It was said that Alexander, the Great was gay....m/b he was, m/b he wasn't.... not going to waste my time thinking about it.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone were happy heterosexuals? But that's not the world we live in and it never will be.... all different types of people out there and they're not going to go away........

 

Why is it no surprise that this arrogant bully is a "hero" to the Right?
A man who does NOTHING to live a Christian lifestyle who beats up women and men who get in his way and then pays them off so he can stay out of jail?

Yeah, a Right Wing Dream Machine fer shure!

 

And? I know gay people and have known gay people in my life but that doesn't mean I should accept their lifestyle. What people do in private is their own business but unless it can be proven that gays deserve equal rights then it shouldn't happen.

Oh so you "heard" it has been around since the beginning of time....that is a rumor of a myth. That doesn't make it better.

 

It's actually nice to be challenged in a way. If one didn't have to labor in order to climb Everest, what would be the achievement? By a similar token, if we don't have to fight for our rights in a gradual yet seemingly certain march to freedom and equality, the reward - the rights, are not as appreciated. Everything in life requires balance, and contrast, and you guys simply provide that. You unite us and our supporters in a way no other person could.

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And if animals exhibit homosexuality, it's hard to see how it wouldn't have been around longer than humans have, at least.

 

I still cannot see logically how a behavior is a basis or protected status. It is irrational given the fact that nearly all behavior is discretionary (except eating, sleeping, breathing, etc...). Talk about your hetero sexual behavior in the workplace and you are likely to be fired quickly, talk about your homosexuality and everyone should celebrate? Why?

 

Right. Going directly to a source for answers is silly. Got it.
There are those who choose to remain ignorant. Always will be.

 

You know gay people? Or you know of them. You ever talk to someone that is gay, besides good morning?
Or did you avoid them like the plague, like I used to.

 

...like the plague....

 

A bit of a figure of speech. Ever hear of it.
But I was brainwashed to believe gay was a degenerate moral lifestyle and it had to be avoided. It must be snuffed out. I would avoid anyone who was gay.
Then one time, actually had a conversation with someone who is gay, adopted by very strict catholic parents at infancy. And those very strict catholic parents still loved this gay person. Hmmm.
Changed my mind, after that conversation.
Basically stated, if it was a choice to be gay, why would I choose to be tormented, ridiculed, and persecuted for my all my life.

 

Which quotes?

 

So when do you think homosexuality started? A few generations ago? It has existed all of our lives - why do you find it upsetting that it may have been w/us since the beginning of time? Does it really matter?

I haven't known many gays/lesbians - that I was aware of, but the ones I knew were very nice, decent human beings and it was knowing the teenage boy, Kevin, telling his parents he was different from his 3 bros and knowing Sarah, the friend whom I didn't even know was lesbian until months later b/c she kept her personal life to herself and didn't flaunt it, like many do, which i dislike...... those are the ones I will stand by and defend.

And like I had said, Kevin's case is the one that really convinced me that gays are born, there is no choice. Why in God's name would a KID deliberately chose to be different from his brothers, knowing if his 'choice' became known, it would turn his family upside down - which it did when a brother finally told the parents.....

Anyway.... to each their own and life goes on......