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We should be very careful about tossing away our right to due process.

 

Agreed if on US soil. If in enemy territory, how many US lives are you willing to risk in capturing a terrorist to put him on trial?

Agreed 100%. That said, when the person in question is fighting with a group rabidly hostile against the United States do you suggest we treat them as a citizen or an enemy combatant?

 

See above. Good luck with your quest.

 

Fighting terrorism is not a quest. Anyone regardless of citizenship who attempts to harm the US is an enemy combatant and will be treated as such.

 

Clearly an enemy combatant.

 

I'm retired military from a career military family. Yes, we all supporting fighting out foes, but we all took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Did you? If so, how many times? For me, at least 7 times. Do you think that oath should be respected even if a person leaves the service? I do.

 

On this point we are agreed. We still should abide by both our Constitution and international law, but, yes, they are an enemy combatant.

 

This isn't a game site. The hypocrisy went over your head, I don't give a **** about yours or anyone's grammar, that's your problem.

 

I've posted about that massacre many times in the past and fully agree. Regardless, this topic is still not about Obama, his war crimes or Obama's consent and order to murder Americans and consent via ratification to detain them absent due process protections (see NDAA 2012) nor is it about Awlaki and his son. Although I can't disagree that the current status quo is an extension of Bush/Obama direct attacks on the Constitution, committed under pretext of 9/11.

 

Juxtaposing is fine in debate.

 

If only you understood why the Constitution exists.

The problem being, that would run counter to the purpose of the Constitution.

Avowed enemies of the US have no rights whatsoever.

Yeah, that's how they imagine enemies of the Constitution somehow have rights under the Constitution.

Of course you are.

If a country physically invaded the US, would its soldiers have constitutional rights by virtue of being on US soil?

You never heard this right winger complain about it.

No, because I could renounce my citizenship without becoming an enemy of the US.

 

Perhaps but I don't debate, sorry, I discuss. In any case, since you caused me to bring it up, there is the provision in NDAA 2012 that "authorizes" the US government to detain anyone indefinitely absent due process. I'm surprised the military hasn't cited it to the judge as their excuse for deliberately failing to advise their captive of his constitutionally protected rights, which includes of course his 6th Amendment right to counsel for his defense. I just gave the fascist mentalities in this forum a carrot.

 

If you wouldn't make ASSumptions about me it would make for a more civil discussion.

That's incorrect, as one of the founders and principal authors of the Declaration of Independence said:

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." - Thomas Jefferson

That's also incorrect, everyone on this planet is born with unalienable rights. Read the Declaration of Independence sometime.

 

If the person is a U.S. citizen, I think we should try to subdue them instead of kill them, but I wouldn't be prepared to risk a lot of lives, ours or people in other countries, to take the alleged perps into custody.

Combat is different from capturing a terrorist. If you take up arms against our country, you're an enemy. Period.

 

How do you think we should have subdued the terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki? Let's not forget this is the same terrorist who preached to 3 of the 9/11 hijackers, Major Nidal Hasan and repeatedly called for Islamic Jihad against the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/17/al.awlaki.message/index.html
American-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki is calling for jihad against America, claiming "America is evil" in a new audio message obtained by CNN.

"With the American invasion of Iraq and continued U.S. aggression against Muslims, I could not reconcile between living in the U.S. and being a Muslim, and I eventually came to the conclusion that jihad against America is binding upon myself just as it is binding on every other Muslim," he says in the recording that runs more than 12 minutes.

 

My point is that right wingers gave Obama a ton of crap for killing those two guys without due process. Now all of a sudden it is AOK once Trump is President. I am asking you if right wingers can be ****ing consistent for once.

 

I'm perfectly fine with that. But if you are fighting for ISIS, or any other terrorist group, you are no longer an American.

 

With a bomb or bullet. Of course, if we had somehow stumbled across him and he could be taken into custody, we should have.

Are you waiting for me to say I would take him out? In a heartbeat.

 

Thank you for your service. What is your point??

 

But what if you're fighting for the most lethal terrorist group on the planet second to none, the US military industrial complex, what are you? Oh yeah, an Amerikan, the kind that detains Americans indefinitely absent due process.

 

That people who didn't serve and/or never took an oath are talking from a position of ignorance.

 

While I agree, I also agree there is some problems with simply declaring an American no longer American. If a person supports the Nazis or any other anti-Constitutional group, do we do the same?; tell them "You're no longer an American". They're attacking our way of life and are against the Constitution, so I think we should ship them all off to GITMO.

 

Too bad, I think you'd be good at it. I was on the debate team in High School and College. Old habits die hard eh?

 

ANTIFA



ISIS



KKK

It's hard to tell the difference isn't it.

 

Who did Trump have killed?