Poll: French leave EU

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Ole Ole, Mar 24, 2017.

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France leave and Germany become big power EU ?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2017.
  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. No

    8 vote(s)
    57.1%
  1. Latherty

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    It's not taste, there is a very genuine quality issue.
     
  2. LafayetteBis

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    Yes, but quality is also matter of "taste" and typically costs more ...
     
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  3. Montegriffo

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    I suggest you reread my post as you seem to have missed the fact that we are making the same point. As you are posting in your second language I understand why you might have been confused.
     
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    May 2007 huh? I think we can take a more sober view say, 6 months later?
    I have to hand it to Blair, he knows when to fold 'em, knows when to hold 'em, knows when to walk away, and knows when to run.
     
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  5. Latherty

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    No I mean actually fittings and stuff. Basic quality issues the US marques just can't get a grip on. Weirdly, foreign marques manufactured in America seem to be able to hold the line on quality.
     
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    No, he had no understanding of classical history, he thought trade began with the Romans a 1000 years ago when in fact the Romans came here 2000 years ago and trade with Europe goes right back to Neolithic times. His ignorance was plain to see or rather hear. Never mind the fact that he accepted we have had Europe as our main trading partner for a long time but now he thought we should isolate ourselves and put up barriers to that trade.....
     
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    I think we should isolate ourselves and set up barriers to that trade also. Contagion is an issue here. The EU isn't exactly an economic model the world is trying to follow right now.
    It's a very important market to us. But a market we don't make a profit in isn't beneficial to us. It makes us poorer and them richer.

    We want trade barriers against EU industries that out perform us. Protection. So we want to set our own tariffs and enact our own tailor made schemes. And we want to do it quickly. Not after years of bullshit and then dogmatically implemented 10 years after the crisis ended. But as quickly as it needs to get done.

    Europe is not one entity. One trading partner. It is many.
    Deal direct. Not through palaces full of monkeys.

    This wasteful **** must end. You are sacked. Go home. I have Google, email and a telephone. If I want to make a deal with the EU I shall do so. Take your thumb out of my pie.

    I thought most of the developed world used a private national mix. Including us, including the USA.

    What if I said to you that this graph is neatly explained by the law of diminishing returns. There comes a point where you start having to spend a great deal to get only little gains in return.

    Ok a quick Google tells me America is around the top of the health spending list.
    So in the graph, if it is true to say that America has the highest health spending we would expect it to get the lowest returns for the money against other big spenders.

    So this graph could be showing us that America gets poor value for money healthcare compared to other countries, or equally it could just be telling us that America spends more than the rest of us.

    Imagine for example the number of nurses on a hospital ward. On the graph above, the more nurses you add to each ward, the lower your score on that graph is. (cost vs life expectancy)
    But the patients get better care. Not life saving care, but a nappy changed quicker. A warmer meal.

    Statistics can be spun so many ways!
     
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    :cool: . . . Just a cotton-pickin' minute - 'the 3rd most UNreliable car? I did a lot of research (if we're talking about the latest one) and didn't see one review which wasn't gushing with praise. It's a joy to drive - but then so was my Toyota Camry, way back when.
     
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    Go on then! :mrgreen::nana:
     
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    Britain voted to leave the EU, if France ever call a referendum, then hopefully it'll be a public vote and hopefully they'd get to decide what they want.
     
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    As far as I'm aware, Germany can't legally hold such a referendum under German law. I could be wrong though.
     
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    France voted out when it was given the vote. Not that it got them out.

    It's the reason we got no vote to join in the UK. Because France had just voted to leave and they thought we would not vote to join. Which of course we wouldn't have. Hence our vote to leave.
     
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    The French would bitch mightily about the EU, but vote to stay in.

    You really don't understand Latins, do you? What they say is not always what they do. Which is why France adopted a two-tiered presidential election voting. The first round (this coming weekend) to reduce "the pack" to only two candidates and the second to chose a winner.

    Nobody in their right mind would want LePen as president, but she will get around a quarter of the vote - enough to go into the second round. She is thus pursuing the track that her father (who founded the Front National party) laid down more than two decades ago.

    The French get pissed-off at the drop of a hat, and that rule is no different at election time. They live a good life, obesity is on the rise (what better proof is there?); and they have never had it so good.

    Despite an ornery Unemployment Rate that historically remains stuck at over 9% since 1984 (that's more than 30 years!) ...
     
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    Why in heaven's name should that happen?

    Germany is in optimal economic condition with more than half its trade going to the EU.

    They would be stoopid to pull the plug on business that supports millions of German workers ...
     
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    Not for long. UK is most of that EU trade.
     
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    The EU isn't a country, but wishes it was.

    That's a shame.

    Thankfully it seems the EU is going to be put in check.

    There will never be a United States of Europe, and who does Europe think they are in trying to be one?
     
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    With the exception of a President, it has all the ingredients already for being a nation. In fact, it is a larger democracy than the US by almost twice the population.

    Perhaps you think Brexit was just a start. It'll take a decade for the Brits to realize their folly in leaving, but they'll be back.

    You're too late with your remark, the EU is a country - it's a done-thing for all practical purposes ...
     
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    US states can't leave the US.
    The EU has no head of state.
    Americans have American Passports
    Europeans have EU passports that are British, French etc.
    The Euro is just a Disneyland buck used to benefit Germany but is on the verge of collapse.
    The City of London is an ancient city that's traded with the world since Roman Britian, today enjoys trading in US Dollars, Japanese Yen and Euros and the only way this'd change is if the Euro ever ceased to be. London is global trade and the EU can wish to be a Banana Republic with the Euro but at the end of the day, it's on borrowed time.
    Germany broke Article 125 of the Lisbon Treaty, and now we have a situation where Germans think the Greek owe them something; which is illegal under EU law.
     
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    Also; When has a civilian ever voted for the President of Europe?

    Never.

    The EU doesn't lack a president, look at Juncker, it just lacks democracy.

    If you're going to claim democracy, at least have the courtesy to get the definition right.

    Face it, the EU is like the USSR.
     
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    EU has a president already and EU are not like Soviet. Nothing Communism in Brussel and at least 60 percent whole EU the government in all EU countries. Maybe Estonia, Latvia, Greece, Czech Republic and Hungary are Communism government but only thus five of twentyseven with France or with Scotland if they declare them alone from UK and Scotland will were in EU yet.

    Or 26 countries with not UK and France if Le Pen wanted leave the ship and Germany become one pieces only big Power in the EU with big Money in National debt. Two richest after Germany maybe leave the ship.

    You is false alarm when you called EU for Soviet.
     
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    Why has Germany's borders never been enough for Germany?
     
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    Maybe two more Communism government in the EU but enough is enough. East EU was Communism Before I known.
     
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    I see....



    So you're suggesting; Russia takes UK and France's place in the EU? If more Communist parties blocked together in Europe?
    But then.................... with Brussels full of people wanting to be ruled by Moscow? - Couldn't then Russia join a Communist EU?
     
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    -and... y'know, move powers from Brussels to Moscow?

    BTW - I'm totally dicking with you, there is no way Russia would ever consider joining the EU.


    Now.
    If more communist parties rise across the EU; so be it, that's democracy for you.
     
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