POLL: Is there such a thing as a moderate Muslim?

thanks for racist comment. It will not be forgotten.

 

You're welcome ...

 

and you allow the Faux News version of those two groups to influence your opinion. Those two groups do a lot of positive things for the arab people of the middle east, regardless of their use of violence against Israel.

 

I know this is strange quoting myself but I wanted it to be clear - the war with Islam is not about religion, it is about CULTURE.

 

I am really no fan of Israel, not because it is worse than what Palestinians do (it is not), but because it is supposedly more civilised and so I hold it to a higher standard.

But thats not the point, my post about pew poll was about sharia related beliefs, not hamas/hezbollah. Look at "views of harsh punishments" part of the study. Also it is not the only study to show similar results, I know of at least three more.

So we can see, in the middle east (and also among muslims who have roots in middle east), extremism is usualy the norm. Extremism from our point of view, it is not even extreme to want to stone an adulterer from their twisted moral standard.

 

Living and working there is not always a very reliable way to judge the culture. Usualy extremists are nice and polite people, unless you trigger them by bringing up a specific issue. And that does not happen often in ordinary situations. Actual statistical surveys that ask specific extremism-related questions are a superior source of knowledge than personal, anecdotal experiences.

 

yep, gotcha....they are into real estate demolition.

 

You'd be very wrong since renegade Muslims are a real threat to other Muslims.. They have far more to fear from the crazies than you ........

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LOLOL.. How do you "judge culture"?? Do you read Geller and Jihad Watch?

 

I've been saying that Obama is a Muslim/Communist. While he's never admitted it, he's never denied it. .....But he might as well......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DrJQ8_vGOuI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbYRvAEHRM&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ruJVCtg2U&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxc_QUW6RYU&feature=player_embedded

 

Some think that the only moderate muslim, in the middle east, is a dead one.

Seems like American muslims are moderate though, the majority. It's an achievement of being a part of American society.

 

"You" was intended as "you Americans, in general". I repeat that I was persuaded he was Muslim [may be it was a perception] and I discovered he wasn't Muslim like his mother during the first presidential campaign, thanks to TV news ...

 

and they would say - with ample biblical justification - that the rampant presence of divorce and adultery in OUR society was a fairly twisted and broken moral standard. Extreme punishment of muslims by muslims is not the thing that anyone in America should care too much about. Most of us - and most muslims - realize that the muslim extremism that causes the adherents to fly airplanes into American skyscrapers is the kind that is truly loathsome.

 

my job in the middle east was keeping track of the anti-Israeli terrorist groups that operated out of Lebanon. In that regard, I had to meet and even socialize with the leaders of many of those organizations. I understand full well the difference between an extremist who is making nice and a moderate who abhors the actions of the extremist.

And I must say, that, of all the groups I dealt with, I found the PLO military leadership to be the least "extreme" and the ones with the strongest moral case against Israel - but even THEY were kept at arm's length by many Lebanese muslims simply because they disagreed with their predilection for violence as a tactic.

 

you were standing at the door of truth...............I sense you might still be.....He is a muslim. a good study will open the door.
I would recommend you might watch the movie: Obama's 2016

 

I don't fear the crazies one bit. I signed the dotted line to kill the terrorists

 

Obama never attended a Muslim school or a mosque.. and both his father and step father were atheists.

 

I hate Obama so much, but I also hate when the far right calls Obama a muslim. Yes, Obama's father was an atheist, and a famous one.

 

The violence is not only against Israel. From today's drudge report:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...rs-Share-How-They-Lost-Their-Families-to-ISIS

Savages.

 

True, but when he's not supporting the Ferguson thugs he's not doing much to fight the Muslim terrorists.

 

I agree!

 

sure, just keep the myth going...but the rest of us know differently.

 

Come on guys, stop arguing. Whether Obama attended mosque or not is not the issue.

He is a pathetic president. End of story.

 

Are you saying because they are here in america that they are automatically "moderate"? What?

Has it occurred to you that they are here to change america not assimilate? The Pew research polls done in 2007 and (I believe) 2010 show that the majority of muslims in america and canada want to be ruled by sharia law which is the culture of Islam. If they are immigrating to other countries AND STILL WANT TO BE RULED BY SHARIA then they are not embracing the culture of their host countries and in fact MUST be moving to change it.

The culture of Islam (Sharia law) is contained in the Koran and I have read that the Koran is considered by Muslims to be the word of (their) god therefore they can't change it (why the violent portions of the Koran cannot be removed or ignored) therefore they ALL must agree to live under Sharia if it is imposed.

Sharia law is not "moderate", unless you believe that hand amputation for theft, stonings for adultery, death for apostasy and homosexuality AND of course supporting child marriage (marriage between 8-14 year old girls to 50 year old men) is "moderate" thinking.

You will never convince me that marriage to an 8 year old girl should be part of american culture. They justify that based on the fact that their prophet took an 8 year old child bride. On another thread, a muslim forum member Goomba, has shown us that he considers himself moderate yet supports marriage to an 8 year old girl.

my sharia questions to him on post 164 and goomba's repsonse in post 168 that he supports hand amputations for theft, stonings for adultery and marriage of 8 year old girls
http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/383640-can-islam-shariah-democratic-17.html

There are multiple posts later in the thread where goomba tries to justify marriage to 8 year old girls (by pointing to past history) and my response that it is irrelevant what was done in the past and only matters what is being done today and today marriage to an 8 year old girl is not acceptable in a civil society. The problem is that goomba MUST BELIEVE that marriage to an 8 year old girl is acceptable because it is written in the Koran and the Koran is the word of their god. So he is trapped, as are all muslims, with a culture that is suitable for the middle ages not modern society.

 

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