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Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a contributing editor at The National Interest, is the author of ten books and more than 600 articles on international issues. His latest book, coauthored with Malou Innocent, is Perilous Partners: The Benefits and Pitfalls of America’s Alliances with Authoritarian Regimes (2015).



That author is a CONSERVATIVE who is principled and writes the TRUTH. The USA does not have any vital interest in that conflict. By putting Americans into it jeopardizes Americans both at home and abroad. Keeping Americans out of them is what protects our lives and interests.

 

I would prefer a stable Syria with Assad in charge than a Caliphate with ISIS. Both are evil, but Assad is the lesser of two evils hands down. You seem to ignore ISIS altogether. ISIS is the one doing a whole lot more killing, beheading, forced conversions, that what Assad ever thought about or did.

Doing away with Assad as is your want it seems, leaves the fanatic extremist ISIS in charge of Syria and half of Iraq. The situation there is one of ISIS strengthening themselves daily, at least until the Russians appeared and we allowing ISIS to do so. This current situation is of our own making.

 

This is why we must not be coerced into war in Iraq and Syria







http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...we-must-not-be-coerced-into-war-in-Iraq-Syria



also,


http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/sorry-but-just-bombing-isis-in-syria-wont-help-anyone/


http://original.antiwar.com/James_Wilson/2015/11/27/fight-terrorism-through-nonintervention-not-war/




better to use brains, not brawn which only results in profits for the wealthy elites

 

Saudi Arabia has NEVER funded Hamas.

 

wrong, again.

an earlier estimate by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs estimated a $50 million annual budget, mostly supplied by private charitable associations but with $12 million supplied directly by Gulf states, primarily Saudi Arabia, and a further $3 million from Iran. In 2002, a Saudi Arabian charity, the Saudi Council to Support the Palestinian Intefada run by then Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef Bin Abdul Aziz stated the council will give the families of 102 Hamas militants killed, including eight suicide bombers, $5,340 each.[231][232]

The Saudi owned al-Taqwa Bank has been identified as a holder of money for Hamas since 1997. Jamie C. Zarate, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury Department, told Congress that $60 million was moved to Hamas accounts with Al Taqwa bank. The Al Taqwa bank has also been used to launder funds for Al Qaeda.[233][234][235] The funding by Saudi Arabia continued despite Saudi pledges to stop funding groups such as Hamas that have used violence,[236] and its recent denouncements of Hamas' lack of unity with Fatah

 

Thanks for an excellent, brief & accurate observation.

Of course the carnage currently plaguing the Mid East etc via ISIL / Daesh has more players with different agendas.
Daesh is many things to many people but mainly functions as a tool used by those who are its primary supporters. (Qatar, Israel, the US & Turkey).

Qatar's many Multi Billionaires see it as a means to depose Assad who blocks their LG pipeline to Israel, Turkey & ultimately, the West

Israel & its collection of disloyal American "Israel First" Ziono-Cons have a more extensive & lethal use for Daesh.
America's AIPAC / JINSA driven agenda is partially outlined in "A Clean Break; A New Strategy for Securing the Realm". Israel's support for Daesh has more to do with the balkanization of Syria & other States in the Islamic world & I've just touched on it below at [2]

Israel's rating in a BBC Poll as the 4th most unpopular country in the world has much to with with its decades old persecution & ethnic cleansing to Palestine's native, non Jewish population.

You need only research the only documented "Final Solution", the Zionist "Plan Dalet" [1] for the genocidal foundation of the One-Race-Only State

Very many of the criminal expansionist element of Israel's Right Wing, Zionist Extremists are driven by the "Greater Israel" realm envisioned by Herzl & more recently echoed by Defense Minister, Ya'alon:

“From the "Yinon Plan" to the "Ya’alon Strategy"
http://www.voltairenet.org/article186019.html
EXCERPT “the 1982 Oded Yinon Plan and Moshe Ya’alon’s present-day strategy. While endorsing the vision of both plans, Israel continues to pursue its own balkanization agenda. Historically, Israel has always sought to dismember the countries surrounding her."CONTINUED

The Oded Yinon [2] / "Greater Israel" plan serves the expansionist fixation Israel's ruling Zionists have had for Regional Hegemony for decades. A few members of America's infestation of "Israel First", Ziono-Cons in JINSA drew up "A Clean Break; A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" to secure plenty of US blood & resources for expansionist "Greater Israel"

Even though there are many ethical & peaceful Israelis who oppose the martial machinations of Israel's ruling Right Wing Extremists, they are greatly outnumbered and becoming more so as Israel rapidly becomes a repository for lazy land thieves & "Politically Correct", racist KKK types. Israel is the only wealthy country in which "superior" / self "Chosen" individuals can kill "inferior", darker skinned, non Chosen people with seeming impunity.
In addition the Palestinian "cockroaches" & "little snakes" are also used for experimentation,[3] a "Photo Op" [4]or recreation


I can safely promise you that soon after I post this you will witness Israel's multi billion dollar, State Run, sophisticated & international Hasbara network chime in with its gaggle of paid, full time, State scripted "advocates" aka Hasbarats" aka Hasbara Trolls alll denying that they're paid, & full time, scripted/trained shills.

Others, however are well intended, not part of the slick & Wealthy Hasbara network & have simply been deceived for decades by Major Media's egregious, pro Israel bias.

Unfortunately, Israel has too many good people & too much to offer to be poisoned by the likes of the Netanyahu Regime, the similar ones before it & sadly, it looks like others to come.








[1] "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140
EXCERPT “On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.”CONTINUED


[2] “The Yinon Plan, “Greater Israel”, Syria, Iraq, and ISIS: the Connection”
http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/20...ria-iraq-and-isis-the-connection-2768224.html

EXCERPT “The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, also known as the Yinon Plan, is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.
“Greater Israel” consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates"CONTINUED


[3] “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population
http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

EXCERPT "The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.
The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Considering the effects, he [Amiram Levin, former head of the Israeli army’s northern command} comments that most Palestinians “were born to die—we just have to help them"CONTINUED


[4] “Kids in the crosshairs: Photo of Palestinian children killed by IDF wins World Press Photo award”
https://www.rt.com/news/gaza-photo-award-target-353/

 

This is the most scandalous statement by one who has not made enough researches on this subject matter... Hellooooooooooooooooo did you watch TV or read the News papers lately? The slaughter in San Bernardino was not performed by Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists but by Muslims... i repeat MUSLIMS... The mere fact that the Muslim shooter was born in the US and is an American after all, his religious beliefs apparently have been <radicalized> to such an extend that it generated the Murder of 17 <Loyal Americans> and maimed/wounded an umpteenth amount of <Loyal Americans>...

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Maybe this will refresh everyone's memory...

Caliphate Accompli
~by A.J. Caschetta
Jihad Watch
November 29, 2015

http://www.meforum.org/5662/caliphate-accompli


Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?
~by Daniel Pipes
The Daily Caller
December 2, 2015

http://www.meforum.org/5670/no-go-zones

 

we all know Daniel Pipes is a lying scumbag

 

there is no question that Pipes is well known for his racism and Islamophobia:


https://lobelog.com/daniel-pipes-steps-out-of-the-closet-as-an-islamophobe/



Pipes goes out of his way to lavish praise on Wilders, calling him &#8220;the most important European alive today.&#8221; (No word from the Vatican on if the Pope has any response to his relegation to the number two position by Pipes.)

For years, Pipes has denied accusations that his columns have espoused Islamophobic rhetoric, but his recent column in the National Review goes out of its way not just to endorse Geert Wilders, but also to explicitly praise anti-Muslim statements made by Wilders ...

In a December 17, 2008 interview with Haaretz Wilders acknowledged that he was considering forming an alliance with the Belgian, Flemish nationalist, far-right Vlaams Belang party.

Vlaams Belang is widely shunned by Belgian Jews and attracts controversy for advocating the rehabilitation of convicted Nazi collaborators.

In May, 2009 the Anti-Defamation League issued the following statement denouncing Wilders&#8217; rhetoric.

The ADL strongly condemns Geert Wilders&#8217; message of hate against Islam as inflammatory, divisive and antithetical to American democratic ideals.







Pipes is a man of hate.

 

Shows exactly the level of your literary knowledge I am sorry to say... I would have reported anyone calling you that!

 

is Dan Pipes a member of this forum?

 

OK, I am going to repeat this again, because it says something very interesting I think.

Now, let me post up a map of the region, and please, spend a couple of minutes looking at it.



Now, if you did not know this, Qatar is that little bump on the East Coast of Saudi Arabia, that sticks out into the Persian Gulf. Now look around a bit more, see where Syria is? How about Israel? Turkey? "The West"?

Now why in the hell would Qatar need to go through Syria to get to any of these places? That makes absolutely no sense, it is like running a pipeline from Georgia to Florida through Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi first. It makes absolutely no sense.

Well, other then to people who are completely ignorant of the geography of the area.

But please, explain to us why a pipeline to Israel would have to go through Syria. I would love to hear that.

 

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What is your compelling need to post a dumb comment dripping with such nasty sarcasm if you're going to demonstrate to us who is among the foremost of those: "......people who are completely ignorant of the geography of the area." ?


Firstly, it was not my opinion that Qatar's pipeline planners considered Syria one of the most desirable routes through which to run a pipeline.

They are very likely to have used their significant resources in making their decisions for excellent & innumerable reasons obviously beyond your grasp. A few of these reasons may be political, tectonics, small local conflicts, smaller diplomatic alliances, local family connections, soil / sand stability etc. etc etc.

Therefore, many of those reasons have nothing to do with simply running a straight line between points. I hope that's not the way you drive.

Did you every wonder why there's not the equivalent to our Interstate 95 highway running from Bagdad to Tel-Aviv?

I don't know about you but I've traveled through that same several times via, foot, camel-back, hitch-hiking etc & and intimately familiar with its sandstorms, biting & stinging critters, mountains, nomadic Bedouin tribesmen & general terrain etc etc.

Please consider the Bedouin tribesmen who have crossed that same area for centuries & may do more than resent a longer and wasteful travel time while relying on their already limited supplies.

I won't bother listing other reasons that should be obvious to anyone posting comments relating to Mid East history, dynamics & events.

In the mean time, please stay on the road even though the most direct way may be through a swamp.

 

Really? Swamp between Qatar and Israel?

Weird, I have been there, do not remember any swamps.

The reason for avoiding Iraq at that time was because of the war in Iraq. Which was pretty much abandoned after Syria erupted in Civil War. Now the plan is to go to Israel because it is a straight line, and both Saudi Arabia and Jordan can participate in the building. But building a pipeline through swamps? Not a major problem, they have been doing that around the world for decades.

Heck, they even build freeways over them for hundreds of miles.

Uhhh, because the two countries have been at an almost constant state of hostilities (if not outright war) for decades?

Add to that that the two countries do not even connect.

Might as well ask why the equivelent to I-95 does not run between the US and Beliz.

Sorry, but that is such an incredibly silly question, I barely have words to describe my shock. Might as well ask why no major freeway is built between Seoul and Peking.

Yet you ask why no freeway runs between Iraq and Israel, where even if there the region was coverd by the Bog of Eternal Stench or a perfectly flat and dry hardpan desert, nothing would have been built between the two. Plus the fact that there is yet another country between the two. One that has had pretty poor relations with Iraq since the last ruling party killed a close family member of their ruling family.

 

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You've avoided responding to the most significant reasons I listed as to why the Qatari pipeline planners might consider
Syria essential to their project route [1] & only further demonstrated how little you know about the Region [2]

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[2]
You stated:

"Weird, I have been there, do not remember any swamps."

However:

&#8220;Swamp&#8221;
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Swamp
Famous examples
In Iraq
EXCERPT &#8220;The Tigris-Euphrates river system is a large swamp and river system in southern Iraq, inhabited in part by the Marsh Arabs.&#8221;CONTINUED


AND:


&#8220;Mesopotamian Marshes&#8221;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamian_Marshes
EXCERPT &#8220;The Mesopotamian Marshes or Iraqi Marshes are a wetland area located in southern Iraq and partially in southwestern Iran and Kuwait.[1] Historically the marshlands, mainly composed of the separate but adjacent Central, Hawizeh and Hammar Marshes, used to be the largest wetland ecosystem of Western Eurasia. It is a rare aquatic landscape in the desert, providing habitat for the Marsh Arabs and important populations of wildlife.&#8221;CONTINUED


It seems like anyone who had "been there" would know about one of the Region's most significant geographical features in spite of Saddam's efforts to drain the Mesopotamian Marshes (swampland)
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Since you missed / ignored the most salient part of my response, I'll repeat it:

"Firstly, it was not my opinion that Qatar's pipeline planners considered Syria one of the most desirable routes through which to run a pipeline.

They are very likely to have used their significant resources in making their decisions for excellent & innumerable reasons obviously beyond your grasp. A few of these reasons may be political, tectonics, small local conflicts, smaller diplomatic alliances, local family connections, soil / sand stability etc. etc etc.

Therefore, many of those reasons have nothing to do with simply running a straight line between points. I hope that's not the way you drive."

AND:

"Please consider the Bedouin tribesmen who have crossed that same area for centuries & may do more than resent a longer and wasteful travel time while relying on their already limited supplies."

By the way, I've traveled the land route between Bagdad to Damascus many times but it is not static like I 95 due to the shifting sand.

More information about Qatar&#8217;s pipeline motives:

Qatar-Turkey pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar-Turkey_pipeline
EXCERPT &#8220;In 2012 an analyst cited by Ansa Mediterranean suggested that Qatar's involvement in the Syrian civil war was based in part on its desire to build a pipeline to Turkey through Syria:
"The discovery in 2009 of a new gas field near Israel, Lebanon, Cyprus, and Syria opened new possibilities to bypass the Saudi Barrier and to secure a new source of income. Pipelines are in place already in Turkey to receive the gas. Only Al-Assad is in the way. Qatar along with the Turks would like to remove Al-Assad and install the Syrian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the best organized political movement in the chaotic society and can block Saudi Arabia's efforts to install a more fanatical Wahhabi based regime. Once the Brotherhood is in power, the Emir's broad connections with Brotherhood groups throughout the region should make it easy for him to find a friendly ear and an open hand in Damascus.&#8221; CONTINUED

Please stay out of those &#8220;invisible&#8221; swamps.

 

I ignored it because it is coprolite.

Here is your claim, taken from Wikipedia. In case you have never heard this before, Wikipedia is not a reference. It however can be a reference for finding references. And that is how I use it.

So let's look at what you claim there, shall we?

Here is the original reference:

http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/...kets-Qatari-gas-Al-Assad-analyst_7560833.html

Hmmm, an article without author, and without references. This is not even worth being called an article, I have seen blog posts with more real information. And this is rather typical for this site, so I would not take much written there seriously. But let me do a bit more digging, ok? And yes, I am writing this as I research, so I do not even know how it will end.

OK, now remember, this article referenced in Wikipedia is itself based upon another article, and a comment made by another user. Really? Comments are now valid references? But let's continue.

They have early on a reference to oilprice.com. Who is this?

Well, it is also essentially a blog, run in partnership with MSNBC. And they very prominantly have the following disclosure on it:

http://oilprice.com/disclaimer

And this article? here it is, written by Felix Imonti. This article was written on 1 October 2012, and references what it says is a "recent article". This can only mean it is the following article:

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Qatar-Rich-and-Dangerous.html

And it says the following:

OK, now how in the hell would a pipeline through Syria help Qatar, if this is true? Because to get to Syria, the pipeline would have to go through Saudi Arabia. Which the article claims they will not allow.

Once again, this goes right back into suspension of belief. Canada wants to build a pipeline to Mexico, but the US will not allow it. So Canada is going to get involved in a civil war in Mexico, to ensure that the new government will support them in their pipeline goal. Which still has not a damned thing to what the US may have to say in the matter, since said pipeline would have to cross their country.

And the comment by Joshua Landis? Well, I could not find that at all. Not even a search on that site showed any comments by a user of that name prior to 2013, before that article on 1 October 2012 was written.

So what we have is crap, based upon crap. This is what I mean when I tell people to "Vette their sources". Do not just take comething you find on the Internet and run with it, because pretty much everything in the source of your source is bogus.

 

All this sarcastic blather from someone who claims to have "been there" but doesn't know about the most significant Regional marshland / swamp.........just downstream from Bagdad which you list as your "Location"


From the beginning, I said that Syria was felt to be significant by the QATARI pipeline backers......not me.

Go tell THEM that you know more about their project & Region than they do.


I'm finished with this topic

 

So once again, no real reference.

And no, I do not list my location as "Baghdad". It very clearly says "Baghdad By The Bay".

Tell me, is Baghdad by a bay?? No, it is not even close to a bay. Complete and utter fail.



I live near San Francisco, which is known in this area as "Baghdad By The Bay", and has been known as such for over 60 years.

 

Ronstar, Margot2, et al,

In general terms, I believe our friend "Margot2" is probably more correct. No doubt that you'll be able to find an example of some radical 50th tier Saudi Prince that donates; by and large, the Saudi's probably donate less that the US, and not militant reasons (Humanitarian causes, Islamic Image and good press).

(COMMENT)

I believe we have to make a distinction here between funding Palestinian Relief Groups and Agencies --- and --- the funding of HAMAS, the Unity Government and activities that directly support the West Bank Regime. This funding issue a game called "Follow the Money" and "Pin the Tail on the Cash" is sometimes confusing. Sometimes there are good political reasons to release funding --- from a counterterrorism perspective.

Even Israel has, at times released funding that would ultimately support the GAZA Regime, if not HAMAS, directly. It was not all that long ago that Israel released nearly 200 million Shekels to the to the Palestinian Authority to pay back salaries of certain employees; including Ismail Haniya, HAMAS Prime Minister and Mahmoud Zahar, the HAMAS Foreign Minister.

The first transfer of more than $51 million (delivered in Israeli shekels) was purportedly to strengthen the influence of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in the Gaza Strip and pay the salaries of 35,000 Palestinian Authority employees then allegedly loyal to him. Among those employees, however, were Ismail Haniya, the Hamas-appointed prime minister in Gaza, and Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas’ foreign minister. This was done as part of the Incentive distribution program to curry favor and to ingratiate certain target personalities. Similarly, HM King Abdullah (Saudi Arabia) has, in the past, made special donations; one for $8 Million for certain Relief Agencies in providing for the Palestinian People of Gaza. And the US has made contributions that no doubt assisted HAMAS but were focused on specific areas:

Over $100M in pledges went to Gaza earmarked for reconstruction. The was heavily skimmed by HAMAS to restock and rebuild HAMAS, and reconstitute the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad after devastating losses inflicted upon them in Operation Protective Edge. There are rumors that inside the Islamic Resistance Movement, the power and influence of the Military Wing is gaining momentum and gradually assuming more and more control of the movement's institutions and blocking attempts to reach a long-term cease-fire with Israel. (Source: Hamas military wing dictates movement's policies, Al-Monitor)

In general, we say that “HAMAS receives some funding, weapons, and training from Iran. In addition, fundraising takes place in the Persian Gulf countries, but the group also receives donations from Palestinian expatriates around the world. Some fundraising and propaganda activity takes place in Western Europe and North America. Syria was providing safe haven for HAMAS leadership, before Qatar became the Arab Collaborator of the day.”

So, it would probably be more accurate to say it like this:

Most Respectfully,
R

 

There are so many blatant, Hasbara falsehoods in your Post, I'll only relate what's really going on; something you could not do with your Hasbara script. (i.e. "I fear for the lives of many innocent Muslims.")

I, too fear for the lives of so many innocent Muslims because of Israel's ongoing, Genocidal Plan Dalet:

"ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140
EXCERPT &#8220;On that day in 1948, ...... Zionism&#8217;s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.&#8221;CONTINUED

The current Israeli government under the Netanyahu Regime & previous, parasitic & treacherous Zionist Regimes have NOT been "...our best ally" but our greatest security threat.

Israel began betraying the US with False Flag Ops as far back as the Lavon Affair & has repeatedly duped & dragged America into sacrificing our young men & women on the Altar of Zionist Hegemony.

&#8220;QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC&#8217;S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.&#8221; AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. &#8217;03

As you have so clearly demonstrated, the Iraq war wasn't enough for the insatiably expansionist Zionist Regime.

Israel's network of paid, full time, trained & scripted shills have exerted pressure at all levels to drive the US to war with Iran, a nation who has attacked no one in 300 years

YOU SAID: "United, we can stop Iran....."

Like Iraq, "We", of course will not include a single Israeli but professionally duped American G.I.s who languish for months in V.A. hospitals after being burned, mutilated & traumatized to appease "Dual" citizen, Zionist, US politicians & AIPAC.

The balkanazation of Iraq & carnage in & around Syria is primarily a continuation of the Zionist quest for Regional Hegemony as spelled out in the Oded Yinon Plan (aka "Greater Israel") with US support of the same being driven by AIPAC & America's infestation of traitorous Ziono-cons: Wolfwitz, Perle, Feith, Bolton etc who drew up JINSA's "A Clean Break; A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"

ISIS / Daesh is comprised of mercenaries from around the globe who are supported & supplied by Israel & others to depose Assad & balkanize Syria for "Greater Israel" (and Qatar's LG pipeline)


.&#8220;Guess Who is Behind the Islamic State: Israeli IDF Colonel Leading ISIS Terrorists Arrested in Iraq&#8221;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/guess-...ding-isis-terrorists-arrested-in-iraq/5483679
EXCERPT &#8220;&#8220;The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel,&#8221; a commander of Iraq&#8217;s popular mobilization forces said on Thursday.
&#8220;The Zionist officer is ranked colonel and had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group&#8217;s terrorist operations,&#8221; he added."CONTINUED


&#8220;UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria&#8221;
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/...oordinating-with-isis-militants-inside-syria/


&#8220;Turkey and Israel Are Directly Supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda Terrorists In Syria&#8221;
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...orting-isis-and-al-qaeda-terrorists-in-syria/


&#8220;Syrian rebel commander says he collaborated with Israel&#8221;
http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-commander-says-he-collaborated-with-israel/


As of now, Russia has pretty much trashed your "Greater Israel" / Lebensraum scheme and US - Iranian relations are quietly improving.


Try to sell your Oded Yinon Plan / "Greater Israel" to another sucker. Americans are sick of soaking distant soil with US blood for Zionist Regional Hegemony

 

And at this point we go completely off the deep end.

In case you did not realize it, this is not the Conspiracy Theory section. That is over that way:

<------------->

If you want to discuss issues, how about we stick to issues and stop throwing around insults, making unfounded and unverified claims, then jumping hip deep into CT nonsense?

 

Every time an apologist for Israel's documented Ethnic Cleansing Plan, verifiable Expansionist agenda, innumerable War Crimes etc can't refute the facts, I've heard these few versions of the following denials:

1. "You're an Anti Semite"

2. "That's just a Conspiracy Theory"

3. "But, what about Sudan, Pol Pot etc etc

4. "That's an anti Semitic 'Hate Site" etc etc


Just because you are unaware of or want to deny documented & verifiable Mid East realities doesn't make them any less real.

Face it, the Internet is brimming with busy, paid, trained, scripted, State Supported Hasbara Trolls.

For example:


“Israel Hires Internet Soldiers to Penetrate American Forums, Chatrooms”
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/22/israel-hi...

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“Covert online students hasbara units directed out of Israeli PM Netanyau’s office”
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/08/cover...ected-out-of-israeli-pm-netanyaus-office.html

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“Israeli govt to recruit students as undercover agents on social media”
http://rt.com/news/israel-recruit-students-undercover-509/

EXCERPT “The covert units will be set up at each university and structured in a semi-military fashion. While groups will take directions from staff at the Prime Minister’s Office,
According to details provided to Israeli media, a government liaison officer for Israel advocacy will oversee the dissemination of “rapid responses” from Israeli officials to respond to news events, and coordinate with other government bodies that deal with public diplomacy, including the Israeli Defense Force. “CONTINUED


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“‘PMO stealthily recruiting students for online advocacy’”
Government to play behind-the-scenes role in spreading pro-Israel information on social media via universities
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pmo-stealthily-recruiting-students-for-online-advocacy/

EXCERPT “The Prime Minister’s Office is working to set up a network of advocacy units in Israeli universities, operated by students who will receive scholarships for their effort.

The project requires the state’s role to be under the radar, making it appear as if the students are working independently under the auspices of the students’ union, he added.

Although the advocacy units will be under the auspices of the student unions, they will take their orders from the Prime Minister’s Office advocacy apparatus."CONTINUED

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“Prime Minister's Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.541142
EXCERPT “The Prime Minister's Office is planning to form, in collaboration with the National Union of Israeli Students, "covert units" within Israel's seven universities that will engage in online public diplomacy (hasbara).(*)“CONTINUED

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“Israel Hires Internet Soldiers to Penetrate American Forums, Chatrooms”
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/22/israel-hi...

“Israel hires Internet soldiers,” Israeli students and demobilized soldiers get paid to pretend they are just regular folks and leave pro-Israel comments online.

Israeli Foreign Ministry Deputy Elan Shturman is quoted from the Israeli Occupation Magazine saying,Quote:

“Our people will not say:‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’

Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said.

“They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.” CONTINUED


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Stick to howling "anti Semite"

Or...

Better yet, quit wasting my time.

 

It is NEVER time for all out war!
And, in this case, it seems that, one more time, the US (some in the US) would love to go to "all out war," but IN OTHER PEOPLE'S countries!

What do you believe American people would say to an "all out war" ON AMERICAN SOIL?"