Poll: What was the goal of the 911 "truth" movement?

Discussion in '9/11' started by l4zarus, Dec 1, 2017.

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What was the goal of the 911 "Truth" Movement?

  1. To expose the crime of the century

    2 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. To stop the war in Iraq/Afganistan and bring the troops home

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. To get GWB and the Neocons out of office

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. To talk about the "Inside Job" on Internet forums

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. To sell/pass out DVDs

    2 vote(s)
    33.3%
  6. To vote for Ron Paul

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. To expose the NWO conspiracy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. To force politicians to open a New Investigation into the 911 attacks

    2 vote(s)
    33.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. l4zarus

    l4zarus Member

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    What do you think was the goal of the truth movement, whether you were part of it or not?


    Face it, trutherism is dead. Loose Change is over and no one cares. Even the flagship websites of 911blogger and 911truth.org are dead, as the "leaders" ghost anyone left in trutherism.

    However at one time, in 2004 and 2005, many people flocked to the movement because they thought they were exposing the "crime of the century" used to justify going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But some people had other reasons, or more than one.


    I limited responses to 3 answers to prevent laziness. However people can elaborate in comments.
     
  2. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    What kind of silly poll is this? You ask:

    What was the goal of the 911 "truth" movement?

    but you failed to provide the choice to find out the truth about 9/11, which is a primary part of your question. Try again, you make no sense.
     
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    I hear ya man ... He also left out "To make money on Youtube videos" . ..
     
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    You forgot the most important option of all!

    :eek:

    To make wearing tin foil hats fashionable!
     
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    Everyone saw the planes crash into the WTO, on live TV or in person. What was their reason to doubt that, only they can tell.
     
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    The undefined term "trutherism" is dead? Is that like Stephen Colbert's never defined term "truthiness"?

    Do you mean to say that individuals should never seek the truth on any given subject by himself, that he should happily accept what the government says without question? That truth is defined by the government, and guarded by it?

    Considering that the 2 heads of the 911 Commission, Kean and Hamilton from Congress, claimed in public numerous times that the commission was "set up to fail", the truth was found in that statement. Their statement settled the matter--just like the Warren Commission before it, the 911 Commission was meant to hide the truth behind government claims that were ridiculous. The official stories in both cases were false, and each commission was but a government formality to end the discussion.

    Yes, the debate was over at that time--the official stories were concocted to protect the guilty parties and end any further "formal" investigation.

    Most people did not believe the Warren Commission, and most people don't believe the 911 Commission. The average person, when asked in private, NOT in public, will admit that at best he is doubtful the official story is true. Only the truly dissonant will half-heartedly defend a story they cannot defend in public.

    The truth was discovered--the government story is absurdly false.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    To be precise, everyone saw the second plane crash into the South tower, and very damn few saw the first strike. Those who did see the first strike and called in to NYPD, mostly specified that it was a small airplane, NOT an airliner, perhaps a corporate jet. While that information was available early on, it was eventually suppressed.

    Reason to doubt is not that an airplane struck the towers, but rather exactly which airplane struck the tower. Clearly, the photographic evidence is quite clear that whatever struck the south tower, is was NOT AA175. That's the reason to doubt.

    That nobody at all could find an airliner, much less UA93 in the Pennsylvania field, is much more reason to doubt.
     
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    So many 9/11 truth goals listed where quite a few are worthless since this Christian Nation having a supreme swastika up Uranus court ought to fuel that flying rock pyramids to the stars scheme with lynching enforcement from the years of Galileo will take care of it's megalomaniacal human farming Fifth Reich control; just as Rehnquist's pseudo science the cross was higher than any number of US Constitutions for the Bicentennial & Rehnquist's reichquest cross was also higher than the flag for 9/11 & it's subsequent patriot act of a master race of Islam Christiananality pedophile mentalities, in that rule the earth & destroy the world master plan at all costs.
     
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    Hey, I included "To sell/pass out DVDs". Same diff. Don't they all end up on Youtube anyway?
     
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    Inside an Islam Christiananality pedophile mentality Islamidiotoracy truthers collision where the surprised Federal Lynching state of hate lynching enforcement sportsmen job haven't shown their swastika on top of the nation's capitol dome morale patches on KKK robes since Rehnquist's Bicentennial immaculate drug conception to protect & serve thieving churchstate drug trafficking KKK cops US Constitution arsonists that threatened to kill all the Jews in NYC at the turn of the new century Reichquest which brought those Arab terrorists that threatened POTUS & to nuke Temple Mount prior to that 9/11 skywriting attack to fulfillment with yet more immaculate drug conceptions.
     
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    I notice that "Solve a physics and engineering problem." is not one of your possible selections.

    Doing this resolves all of the other crap. But now it is an educational/social psychological issue for its not having been solved.
     
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    Aside from this idiotic poll, solving a physics and engineering problem is only one piece in the overall goal, to get at the truth about 9/11. I don't believe science and engineering will resolve everything about 9/11. Once real science is used and scientific reality is achieved, a lot more forensic criminal investigation must be conducted to try to put the rest of the pieces together and discover who the real criminals are.
     
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    After SIXTEEN YEARS are the "real criminals" as important as determining why our, so called, educational institutions have not dealt with the "scientific reality" for so long?

    Isn't the psychology behind that failure ultimately the same as the failure to address the global warming issue?

    I have communicated with Jon Gold a number of times via the Internet. People like him are so concerned about the "real criminals" that physics is irrelevant.

    http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/3422

    The physics does not care about who did it, or who died, or humans at all. It is incapable of caring. But if we CAN'T THINK then we cannot solve many problems. Rocket scientists at NASA saying nothing about the center of gravity of the tilted top portion of the south tower!!! How peculiar!

    I guess so many people being silent and keeping their heads down is how NAZIism worked.

    psik
     
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    Of the utmost importance is determining the truth. Rooting out the real criminals ranks the highest within the scope of the truth about 9/11. In order to do that, science is used as the primary investigative tool. It's not just about educational institutions not dealing with reality, it's about ALL those in the scientific community who aren't dealing with reality. But the key is that many of those in the scientific community are dealing with reality and are doing their part to expose the lies.

    It's similar, ignorance of either is dangerous to all. The psychology is being addressed by relevant professionals but it is not of the highest importance IMO.

    I can't comment about anything you discussed with Jon Gold since I wasn't there. In my case I know science, including physics of course, is key to rooting out the real criminals.

    I can't disagree with that.

    Not for me. They want to keep their high paying jobs. How long do you think a NASA scientist would keep his/her job if he/she exposed the official 9/11 scientific fraud? This is why most science professionals who do expose it are retired (e.g. former NIST researcher Peter Ketcham). Then there are those who manage to keep their position despite (e.g. Dr. Leroy Hulsey).

    It is but it includes state propaganda. For example, the CIA's weaponization of the term "conspiracy theorist" and the MSM's weaponization of the term "truther". Now official 9/11 conspiracy theory huggers use these terms as slurs for the purpose of trying to silence a discussion. I even see them post absurdities such as "truthers are liars" and those who disagree with the 9/11 conspiracy theory are "cognitive dissonant". When the majority are complicit, you get an obedient populace ruled by Nazism (or a form).

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels
     
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    It was another building that came down at some distance from the twin towers that had some people concerned. I've never heard a good explanation one way or the other, but the third building coming down is rather odd, remarkably odd.
     
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    For me and many others, the official explanation and (non-explanation in the case of the twin towers) of the manner in which all 3 buildings were totally destroyed is extremely concerning because it makes no sense, is contradicted by the facts and has been scientifically deemed impossible (peer review pending) in the case of WTC7 and is non-existent in the case of the twin towers. Once an official explanation is scientifically determined to be impossible, the next step should be to re-investigate from scratch to try to determine what is the most probable cause. An investigation should also be conducted to determine how and why the original investigators concluded an impossibility, especially given the fact that they had the same evidence at their disposal as the team that concluded their explanation is impossible.
     
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    I was always under the impression that SCIENCE was a "Truth Movement". At least people claiming to be scientists or pro-science would be in the pursuit of Truth. Consequently it is an unending process. But we get BS like this:



    There is no question that Potential Energy has something to do with the destruction of the Twin Towers. But these scientifically distorted perspective are not science. Only presenting the evidence that supports the desired conclusion and claiming it is science is not the pursuit of truth. The Conservation of Momentum is a factor also. The energy required to disrupt the supports that held the structure up is also a factor.

    This UK video from 2002:



    mentions the fuel several times but each time implies the tanks were full. They were only at 40% capacity. Some sources say less than that.

    I built my own model:



    But the energy required to crush the structure is greater than the Potential Energy in the structure. I calculated that I would have to lift my falling mass 20 feet to destroy a 3 foot structure. So until the physics of 9/11 is resolved the "Truth Movement" on the Twin Towers cannot end. People can ignore it or forget it but it will be an albatross around the necks of our engineering schools until then. And until then it only advertises how stupid most Americans are. It is nothing but a 9/11 religion that most people prefer to believe.

    Like millions of Americans with college degrees cannot figure out Planned Obsolescence in automobiles nearly half-a-century after the Moon landing. :eek:

    psik
     
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    The 9/11 educational/social psychological issue which has been morphed into a more perfect union of Christian-Islam homicidal sociopsychological human farming where to solve a physics & engineering problem, which might be as simple as high school mechanical drawing class students building matchstick bridges to withstand weight testing; certainly makes not for a possible solution.
     
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    Believing, suspecting and knowing are three different things. I will only discuss the Moon landing in person with someone who can explain what an electron is. Too many dummies on the Internet think they are intelligent. That is why we have this 9/11 crap.

    psik
     
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    I confused you with someone else. I thought you were a truther when I made that post.
     
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    I don't know or care what you mean by "Truther". But I do not believe that an airliner weighing less than 200 tons could totally destroy a skyscraper weighing more than 400,000 tons in less than 2 hours.
     
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    A plane hit a building causing massive damage, then the building destroyed itself ...
     
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    Then it should not be difficult for engineering schools to build accurate physical and virtual models of the north tower duplicating the phenomenon. That would of course require accurate data on the distributions of mass in steel and concrete down the buildings.

    Of course I have noticed that no engineering schools in the nation that put men on the Moon have even said they would try. In SIXTEEN YEARS!!! Curious ain't it?

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