Pope says a hell doesn’t exist

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Does a hell exist?

  1. Yes, a hell exists - so Francis is dead wrong about this.

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  2. No, a hell doesn't exist - so Francis got this right.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    The Pope recently said “a hell doesn’t exist”.
    He himself has not, despite this dramatic news, said that yes, hell does indeed exist, and that that report was wrong, and then scolded that reporter. If he actually does that then I'm wrong about him - but until then we have to assume that, like Modern Secular Humanists, he believes that a hell doesn't exist. He's the #1, and most respected, Christian in the world.

    Question: do you agree with the Pope that a hell doesn't exist?

    Me, I can't believe in unscientific stuff, so no, I don't believe a hell exists, and more and more people are coming to that conclusion. One example: Millennials are going to church at a much much lower rate than people did even 70 years ago.

    Good news: if no hell exists, then you can leave your religion right now. If no hell exists then "Jesus" was a liar and a con-man - threaten people (with hell) so that people put him up and feed him (beats being a carpenter, for sure!)
     
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    The fairy tale seems to be unravelling, from within.

    If the Pope can't even advocate what the Bible/God/Jesus says, then shouldn't he be summarily removed from office?
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Jesus believed in hell then he is neither a liar nor a con man. If he could do the stuff people claim he could do, turn water to wine and 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish into enough to feed 5000, He provided food - he didn't need handouts.
    No there is no hell.
     
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    Then you my friend should start worshipping this guy named "Tiger", since like Jesus, Tiger can walk on water! PLUS, Tiger can hit a tough 7-iron shot better than Jesus ever could! In fact, speaking of "iron", God/Jesus is so pathetic that he can't even defeat "chariots of iron", according to the Bible: http://biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm

     
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    Jesus taught that hell is real, so either the Pope or Jesus is a liar. Which one is the liar, Sam?
    I say JESUS is the liar (one of the reasons I left Christianity - best decision I ever made.)
     
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    If being afraid of punishment is the only reason people are Christian, well, that's just pathetic.
     
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    Many are, indeed! Ultimately, the #1 reason (but not the only reason) that people don't leave Christianity is the fear of hell. The Pope is going to cause many to leave Christianity/Bible/Jesus. A great day!
     
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    Jesus couldn't provide FACTS (to prove his divinity, such as giving us the final cure for cancer w/in the last 2000 years), so he has to resort to FEAR. Just like the Mafia.
     
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    Shouldn't that be an option in the poll then? There doesn't seem to be an option representing my opinion, that the pope has an opinion which can be represented either way, and the truth is more complex than a yes or no answer.
     
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    Yeshua was a freeloader. He never gave anyone anything. When he needed a bunk he would simply tell the unlucky person that he was moving in for a while.

    And the people had brought their own food but they were not willing to start eating it because they would have had to offer it to other people first. So if that had done that they would have ended up with nothing.

    Once the disciples started walking out into the crowd with their meagre lunch it embarrassed the crowd and they whipped out their own lunches. Everyone then had a good laugh and they ate their stinky fish and stale bread.

    The story is about hospitality and giving to those who ask. It also reinforces the passage from Matthew 25:31-46 where Jesus spoke about the poor stranger who didn't receive any hospitality. He said that the people who don't extend hospitality will end up in everlasting punishment, or hell. Of course the fairy tale in Revelation says that hell is temporary and everyone will make bail onJudgment Day.

    Remember, the Pope was a nightclub bouncer so he doesn't want there to be any hell because he might end up in it.
     
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    He doesn't sound ethical enough for me to follow.
     
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    Every time I read one of your great posts I think to myself "this guy is way way too smart to believe in a magic invisible genocide-approving white bearded man who lives in a cloud somewhere (god)".
     
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    I can turn wine into water!
     
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    In the sense that fundies or penties or evangies think hell exists: nah.
     
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    Strange that fear of the Christian god is so large apart of that religion believes and without that fear the religion would loss a large percent of it worshipers.
     
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    • Les' see: listen to FreedomSeeker or listen to Jesus.
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    What's amusing is the howls from these religion haters -- or at least haters of Christian religion -- who know absolutely nothing about the office of the pontiff. The pope is allowed to have any opinion he wishes and that is between him, his confessor -- and yes a pope has got to go to confession -- and God. It is only when the pope officially speaks as the voice of God that it matters. We don't see this pope saying that there is no hell in his official capacity, just as a private individual.

    That said, nonetheless that even such things could come from the mouth of a pope is a great indicator that the Vatican pulled a Dem Party with this guy in that just like the Dem Party pretty much refused to do any meaningful vetting of Barack before treating him like their holy Anointed One, apparently the council of cardinals didn't really bother to do any meaningful vetting of this fellow before making him pope; and I bet they are regretting it now.
     
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    I am more ethical than Jesus because I would let the Dalai Lama into "heaven", instead of having setup a system whereby he goes to brutal, savage, barbaric TORTURE - just for not "believing" in one particular unproven invisible man in the sky out of the thousands and thousands of such "gods" on offer. So you should listen to the one who is more ethical.
     
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    Yes, that makes God/Jesus/Christianity a week and insecure religion. One incapable of giving proof, along with giving positive incentives (that are believable) to join/stay in that religion. A pathetic god/prophet, to be sure.....operates similar to the Mafia, when you think about it.
     
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    I can too! You and I are both prophets of god then, apparently!! I can't wait for the tithes from my gullible followers to start rolling in ($$$$$$$$$$$)!!!

     
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    You don't know Jesus: end of story.
     
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    The Catholic Religion occasionally (with slow resistance) adjusts its dogma to adapt to changes in the societies they infect. For example, it accepted a fair amount of the biological theory of evolution, sanctioned divorce in certain situations, etc. Here, it is softening the consequences for not believing the dogma, although history shows that the onerous everlasting torment in the fire of hell dogma (which was adopted by the Catholics in large part) was a theist invention in the first place.
     
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    Too bad he's not actually real, or the "all-powerful, all-loving, all-everything" prince of peace would obviously care about me enough to provide a courtroom level of evidence that he's the one true god, and with more evidence than Zues, Thor, etc. Too bad, really.
     

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